Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

I WFH but agree. I don’t want hospitality to crash not just because I use it but I’m also shit scared for the economy

What is the point of a short sharp lockdown? A desperate November instead?

To be honest, I do not think there is much point in restrictions as they are now. There effectiveness is entirely dependant on widespread compliance and consistency. Coronavirus doesn't care if it is after 10pm or not, it doesn't care children wear masks on corridors (but not in class rooms), it doesn't care if a "substantial meal" is being served. I find these weird exceptions make any restrictions fairly pointless. Add to that people are tired of being locked down and are generally doing their own thing now anyway.

I work in social care (nurse manager). My job is secure but a hard place to be now. As a family, we have pretty much remained in as strict measures as the first lockdown-the exception being the children have gone back to school. It is fairly obvious that infections began to exponentially increase when schools and universities returned. My eldest child has been in school for the grand sum of 5 days since September due to various isolation periods following contact with cases in his year.

The problem with full lockdown is you have to have an end game-whether it be vaccine, proven treatment, or containment. Since there is little prospect of anything changing beyond what is already in place for quite some time (6 months they had to sort out test and trace, Nightingale hospitals are in place, the RECOVERY trial has had some decent results, vaccine still some way off) and people are unlikely to willingly comply, I don't think there is an easy answer.

Utterly crap and horrible. Sadly I think a lockdown will only delay the same outcome. Heartbreaking.

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My English teacher would have a litter of kittens over that one

If it were true then YANBU, but I don’t think it is true.

Being in a safe job does not mean that you want to be locked down or want to see other people out of a job. So YABU to suggest that.

molly I loathe smug attitudes like yours. They actually annoy me more then the occasional moron who has a party.

The young have given up so, so much as it is. Why is there right to be young, sociable and carefree “unnecessary”? They have missed so much.

I would also disagree that it’s selfish people spreading it. It was lunacy to let students into halls and then declare the British to be “stupid” when cases rise. It was entirely forseeable

I have a Job that’s barely been affected, worked all the way through and shares in company have shot up due to massive sales during lockdown but I absolutely do not want another lockdown and that seems to be the general opinion of anyone I have spoken to about it at my workplace.

@rorosemary

Don't be angry with the people who want a lockdown, be angry with the people who don't distance or practice hygiene when they can and spread the virus.

Let's stop being angry at people, full-stop. This virus is nobody's fault, so targeting groups of people, blaming them, vilifying them, is not helpful to anyone in this situation. If we all play our part in terms of the distancing and hygiene measures (and masks if people are able to wear them), it enables us to survive through it and come out the other side. Those who don't, well how is hating them going to make any difference other than being stressed and anxious. We don't know individual life circumstances to judge why people are reacting the way they do. In many cases, it's failure to accept the reality of C19.

These circuit breakers, the short sharp 2 lockdowns should enable us to play for time waiting for a vaccine or effective therapies to mitigate against C19 worst effects, keep the virus under control and not run rampant through the population. We know it's highly infectious and it will likely be a constant battle, but it will eventually come under control. For now, we can only do what we can and stop the anger, which is an unhelpful and divisive emotion.

I really feel for the hospitality sector. I'm a teacher and feeling more scared / starting to feel stressed about how unsafe it all is.
I think the source is in the schools. There's safe ways to keep hospitality going.
I hope you and your husband get some financial support.

Sadly I think a lockdown will only delay the same outcome

That's the whole point of the short lockdowns, and why they are called "circuit breakers". They are the only short term way to provide a period when contact with others is significantly reduced, across the country, simultaneously. It isn't ideal, but not having a vaccine isn't ideal. Lockdowns are blunt instruments, no doubt about it, but it's all about playing for time, mitigating, minimising the worst effects while trying to keep the economy and education ticking over. No single solution will be right for every family in UK and the sooner people realise that, and don't think it's all just the government's fault, the more likely it can be accepted as the imperfect option, in the midst of many other imperfect options.

[quote FrenchBoule]**@gjejgej go to Coronavirus section,I think there was a thread for long term COVID sufferers. Read that.
My DH is in high risk category,none of us can afford to stop working and if one of us goes down with permanent lung damage or dead then the remaining one is well and truly fucked financially and left in charge of bringing up 2 young kids one of whom has ASD.

Give me a fucking break. If it was a case of getting it andgetting over it I’d have hosted a covid party long time ago.[/quote]
I have reported @gjejgej post.

I have a safe job in terms of job security (teacher) but it isn’t safe in terms of Covid transmission. For a lot of us in safe jobs that is the trade off.

I have a toddler who was previously shielded. Therefore in my own personal situation I am very worried about my chances of catching and passing on Covid to him if community infections continue to rise.

Our opinions are all naturally coloured by our personal circumstances.

I'm working in a school with numerous Covid cases. I simply don't understand how society can continue to just function as normal in the situation in which we've inevitably found ourselves. There has to be significant mitigation if lockdown is unpalatable, and that will still mean risks to parents' jobs (including my own).

I appreciate that Daisy-but how often will these be needed to delay the outcome now? What will be different in 2 weeks? It has taken us a month to get from a fairly manageable level to where we are now. We delayed the outcome in March. That was when people were fairly compliant. I do not think you would see the same compliance this time. My heart 100% says lock everything down and try and eradicate it, but there are consequences. People cannot live without jobs either. It is a horrible situation to be in.
I will happily comply with lockdown, as I said we have personally stayed in this state other than schools anyway-but for others, like self employed people, those in vulnerable job sectors etc, it isnt as simple as just staying home. I wish it was.

I agree OP.

Lockdowns dont work they just freeze time. When lock down is released it happens again. Rinse and repeat. In the mean time businesses, jobs, education and MH are being well and truly fucked. It’s a disgrace considering the recovery rate is 99 % and that the average age of Covid death is 81 years old.

People are reading - infection rate = death rate and it couldn’t be further from the truth.

And yes, I’ve noticed people that are financially secure with WFH, benefits, pensions and cushy jobs are quite happy for another lockdown. It’s awful.

Everyone is in the same storm but they are not in the same boat.

People who have jobs that are at risk are against a lockdown as that is the storm they will have to ride.

People who have jobs that put their health at risk from covid are against everything being open as that is the storm they will have to ride.

My job is safe. I am lucky. I can understand the principles of another lockdown but if it is just a short sharp break we will be in exactly the same position once we open back up again. We are not alone in this position, France is trying nightly curfews and Spain is locking down individual towns. I don't know what the answer is, I am not presuming that I know better than the scientists but I am not on the unenviable position of trying to run the country!

If someone can say if we lockdown for two weeks we’ll be in a much better position and this is how - xyz but I haven’t heard it. What exactly will it buy? I think more people may get on board but what real difference will two weeks make, track and trace are poor after 6 months of planning, there’s no end date for a vaccine. I just can’t see a two week lockdown doing anything.

@Molly499

When are the public going to take some responsibility for this? The virus is spread by people so we have all done this to ourselves. It is easy to be tested but it seems that some with a positive result don’t then follow guidelines and stay home and keep the whole household home in isolation. The track and trace working properly could be a really useful tool but how many times have you read on here about people who give false contact details, don’t scan QR codes, and are basically putting a nail I someone’s coffin by their stupidity.

The town centres seem packed, why do people need to go in and go shopping all of the time, totally ridiculous and unnecessary. Pubs packed out, same deal...just why the need.

I feel sorry for people whose jobs and businesses are at risk, I really do, some areas will never recover, I get that, but in the scheme of things we also need to look at the bigger picture and the long term future.

The other difference in some European countries is that they have enforced the rules and have had a huge police presence to stop the stupid, selfish idiots who just don’t care.

Luckily I think that a huge amount of ‘at risk’ People have mostly stayed home and stayed safe. The fear of getting this if you don’t think you would survive is a real game changer. This may help the death rate going forward.

Totally agree.

It’s not smug. It’s reality.

Also can't see how Molly is being smug.

@Harrysblondie Exactly. Back in March one of my friends was under the impression that if we locked down the virus would just magically disappear, I pointed out that once out of lockdown it would start spreading again because you know, that's what viruses do! She was genuinely shocked 🙄

I think people's attitudes are also influenced by if they know somebody who has had the virus. I know somebody in their 30s, no pre-existing health conditions, who died from it. Therefore I fully support a lockdown because of this experience.

Apparently the government is considering a circuit breaker over half term so we may have no option.

Not sure how many people in "cushy" jobs call for another lockdown. I haven't and the prospect of it is making me very worried and anxious. I am devastated for you and everyone in your position, at risk of losing their jobs or who have already lost them. Whilst my own job seems safe now, who knows what the future holds. Another lockdown would not be good for any business especially that I worry it wouldn't just be a short circuit-break one. It's awful.

@edwinbear Currently, taxes will need to go up by £125pm, per family to cover it,

Where is this stat from?

In greater Manchester we’ve had restrictions for months. I think lots of you who’ve been able to go into houses/gardens/pubs With other people have been very lucky And probably felt a bit more normality than us.

I do not WANT a lockdown. However this government had months to get proper testing in order. They’ve failed us so badly and now the country is in a precarious position with covid ripping through again.

I Said in summer we need a staged process of measures so that we all knew where we stood. It was obvious.

Why wasn’t this planned for and ready for when kids went back to school/colllege and those starting uni? Why weren’t the government planning for the obvious rises that we the public could see would happen?

If you are in an area of cases around 100 per 100K or less you may not feel the threat yet, your hospitals and ICUS aren’t filling up. Trust me it will take a matter of a couple of weeks to see this happening:

Local lockdowns will become a country wide thing anyway within a few weeks or month we will all be in tier 3 anyway.