Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

@Unsure33
There are many countries in the world. We can follow the poor examples, or we can choose to emulate the many better ones.

@BrummyMum1

Literally don’t know a single person calling for a full lockdown again.

I think they are all on Mumsnet.

I don't think a lockdown will make any difference. People will just ignore it - it'll be announced for 5 days time and then everyone will be partying with mates beforehand.

What is needed is everyone to cut down on mixing with others. It's not difficult. I had crept up to 2 supermarket visits, have cut down to one late evening when no bugger is about. I have cut all social visits out, so other than work (a max of 8 people but only see half of them) and an old lady I shop for, I really see nobody else. DH is the same. We don't go to the pub or the restaurant, but buy take away from them now, perhaps more frequently than we'd eat out.

I think the WHO has now acknowledged that full lockdowns are not as effective as was first thought, so perhaps it won't happen again.

I work in a shitty very low paid job in a very high risk area. I dont give a shit if I lose my job due to a severe lockdown. I hope it stops the assholes coming near me.

@VillageGreenTree

I am loosing patience with people with low risk factors for COVID saying we should just let it rip through the population and take the hit of many many more thousands of deaths and an overwhelmed NHS. Finances can be recovered. You can't recover from death.

Finances can't be recovered when 2/3 of your earnings don't cover the rent, or pay for the heat, or put food on the table. How many people need to die from the poverty covid is causing? We know that austerity killed thousands of people and the lack of financial support in a lockdown is going to do the same. It's not saving lives if people are dying from the measures put in. It's just culling the poor to save the older/vulnerable who are typically (I'm aware not all, I don't need to be told about the exceptions, I'm talking about statically) wealthier.

Not all office jobs are cushy and safe.

My company after sending 95% office workers to wfh decided that after all they didn’t need so many so there’s wave of redundancies now.
People in my department were shocked when this was announced as this kind of job in our company was considered to be “job for a lifetime”. Not any more.

So sorry OP, I live in area that most of income comes from hospitality. People are losing lobs right left and centre. Nobody complains but more and more appeals to support the food banks circulate around.

*losing jobs

I am in a high risk group.
I do not want another lockdown.

Most people who get COVID19 do not die.
Most people who get the disease are unwell for some days & make a good recovery. Some of them experience a protracted recovery due to a post-viral debility syndrome. A few people who get the disease become very ill, require impatient clinical care with intensive rehabilitation, & some people with severe disease die.

What concerns me far more is is seeing is the impact on our community’s MH & wellbeing, catastrophic thinking about everyday life, severe social isolation & the everyday infrastructure of the economy erode. Independent traders - the life blood of the local economy - shutting up shop not to re-open. I recall the deep depression of the early 80s - 3M+ unemployed, 10% unemployment rate is to be avoided - the scars of that period run deep still. The elected Government of that time made political & ideological capital built upon the economic crises & depression of the previous decade & this drove despair & deprivation deep into some communities.

I’ll evaluate the risks that I’ll take, same as I do everyday when I go out & about. I can choose to be with family & friends many of who are self-shielding as well - we book up visits with an advance fortnight’s quarantine & enjoy our time together all the more for it. Lockdown will not protect me, it’ll suck the joy out of life.

We need to take an honest look at our collective attitudes to the elderly & vulnerable, take committed steps to protect these groups from health & social disadvantage. How did the care home COVID fiasco come about? Let’s learn from this quickly & protect the independent living of these groups whilst the rest of us get on with everyday life.

This is a virus, we cannot control it by hiding away, but we can mitigate the impact that it has on everyday life.

Those countries that have best controlled the virus have least economic damage because people dont go out and spend in the same way during a pandemic, whether allowed to or not.

You want to keep jobs you control the virus. Unfortunately people have not been wearing masks at work, they couldnt possibly wear them all day, so now there little option but lockdown unless you want to see people dying with no health care - not just covid deaths but heart attacks, road accidents, no staff to deliver babies - because we'll exhaust the health care staff who are not actually ill themselves and there will be not enough to go round the emergencies.

I have a very safe job and I'm not calling for lockdown. I'm so against it because uts unbelievably bad for the country and it won't make this virus disappear.

YANBU. Lockdowns just sacrifice the young at the expense of the old and wealthy.

@hibbledibble

Hmm. Not sure if yabu or not.

No one wants a lockdown. It's a necessary evil, as the alternative was unthinkable (500,000+ deaths in the UK alone).

Those of us who worked caring and treating those who were infected during the first wave, like I did, know how terrible it was. I have been a qualified doctor for years, but never saw anything like it, and hope never to again. I really, really don't want us to be where we were before, not because I am thinking of myself, but because of the many people who died terrible deaths, and the many families torn apart. Reading statistics and news articles doesn't give a full picture of just how grim it was in the hospitals.

I hope another lockdown isn't necessary, but if it is needed to stop a horrific death toll, then so be it.

Those predictions were not accurate. They also predicted 100k deaths by july in Sweden and they only had 5k by july despite not locking down.

I think a lot of those that are calling for lockdown are people that never leave their homes anyway and have no social life or hobbies beyond watching TV.

Doesn't affect them and they love to see other people be as miserable as they are. The thought of crushing the university experience of younger people, or seeing a neighbours business fail fills them with joy.

YANBU. I also have one of those job where I can work from home but have family and friends who can't and are at risk of losing their jobs.

@Sweetiecorn

YANBU. Lockdowns just sacrifice the young at the expense of the old and wealthy.

The wealthy (of any age) can shelter - literally and financially from Covid.

The young have more to lose. A ruined economy (we know countries who've contained Covid have better economies) and the fairly high risk of long-term disability. Long Covid sounds rather awful. Heart, lung, or kidney damage, type 1 diabetes, blood clotting issues.

@SheepandCow for God's sake give it a rest with the LONG COVID bollocks.

@starfro

I think a lot of those that are calling for lockdown are people that never leave their homes anyway and have no social life or hobbies beyond watching TV.

Doesn't affect them and they love to see other people be as miserable as they are. The thought of crushing the university experience of younger people, or seeing a neighbours business fail fills them with joy.

If they don't go out they don't need lockdown.

People who want effective containment measures are those of who want to return to normality. As quickly as possible.

[quote gjejgej]@SheepandCow for God's sake give it a rest with the LONG COVID bollocks.[/quote]
I'd love to. Can you let me (and the doctors) how to make it go away?

*know how

Where is the evidence of a fairly "high risk" of long-term disability for young people?

TBH I have found working from home a real eye opener. I have a job where to get paid I have to physically go to work ! My husband and numerous friends have been out cycling,running,just playing in the garden and answering the odd email and have been paid usual salary! Am lucky that my pay is not critical for us to have a roof over our head but for many other people it really does matter !

YANBU. An I’m or rather me and mine are “alright Jack” outlook is a very unattractive and selfish trait.

I agree op these are people who can wfh and have it easier than some of us who have to go out to work. I just quit working in retail and done that for a good few years.

@gjejgej go to Coronavirus section,I think there was a thread for long term COVID sufferers. Read that.
My DH is in high risk category,none of us can afford to stop working and if one of us goes down with permanent lung damage or dead then the remaining one is well and truly fucked financially and left in charge of bringing up 2 young kids one of whom has ASD.

Give me a fucking break. If it was a case of getting it andgetting over it I’d have hosted a covid party long time ago.