Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

With you all the way OP. Husband in hospitality and not back yet and suspect redundancy soon from a job he loved. I'm also in an industry currently open but potential to shut if we move to 'Tier 3'.

@dogmad170

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

I work from home and I disagree. I've never felt so stressed in my life.

I think your angst, frustration, worry over losing your jobs is very real and a very big pressure on your shoulders. This, no doubt, will make you angry at anyone in a safe job and you will direct all of this pent up anxiety towards these people, you will perceive (incorrectly) that they are calling for a lockdown. It's understandable and I appreciate how you must be feeling, I've been there myself. However, it's misplaced upset. Look to the Government or the employers who don't fund these at-risk-jobs sufficiently.

Nobody should lose their business or job...it's not their fault or anyone else's that we are in this position.

Please don't see this as condescending, because I truly feel for anyone in your position.

YANBU. They have the balance all wrong, I think.

I was laid off due to covid. I have just found another job - and it pays even better than the one I lost! I am very, very lucky and a large wodge of my first pay-check will go to the Trussel Trust.

But not everyone will be so lucky. There is something very perverse about destroying so many people's livelihoods, children's eduction, and many people's mental health to give people over their four score and twenty a few more months of life. We don't do it every flu season.

It is not to give a few elderly people a few more months of life

The average person who died of Covid lost 10 years of life. But the restriction are not for them either

It's for the nhs. Keeping cancer surgery and hip replacement going, keeping a and e open, keeping doctors and nurses on the payroll not seeking help from mind.

And It's for the economy ( yes) because the alternative of no restriction would damage the economy even more , yes that is possible .

I work for a cinema chain. We are still open, but it is hard going, as we aren't getting lots of people in and then all the big blockbusters are getting pulled. So things are aren't great, I am having to use holidays to cover my hours, as we aren't open as long as we were before. At the moment, I am getting paid from furlough for my holidays, but that will stop soon, so what happens come November, I don't know. My partner, who is a keyworker, would love a lock down, but he said to close the supermarkets and get the army to deliver, a weeks supply to peoples houses. This is because he works at a supermarket and didn't get to lock down the first time, he doesn't like people and gets annoyed by customers. I hope if we do a circuit break, it's not the schools, my son is at home due to someone in his year testing positive.

I’m a nurse and there’s no chance of me sitting at home in lockdown, my team work no matter....
However, I would rather a 2 week lockdown now and hopefully lives will be saved thanks people dying at Christmas, heavy restrictions imposed then....

@EmpressoftheMundane

YANBU. They have the balance all wrong, I think.

I was laid off due to covid. I have just found another job - and it pays even better than the one I lost! I am very, very lucky and a large wodge of my first pay-check will go to the Trussel Trust.

But not everyone will be so lucky. There is something very perverse about destroying so many people's livelihoods, children's eduction, and many people's mental health to give people over their four score and twenty a few more months of life. We don't do it every flu season.

There is something very perverse about destroying so many people's livelihoods, children's eduction, and many people's mental health to give people over their four score and twenty a few more months of life.

Didn't you hear Sir Patrick Vallance clearly say there has been a massive increase in infections in the younger age groups, including hospitalisations?

So it isn't just to give the "old'uns a few extra months". It's easy to be blasé about human life when they aren't your loved-ones.

If you can work from home then do it but don’t comment on us who can’t. It’s a worrying time. I’ve only just returned to work after 6 months furlough and now we’ve been put on tier 3 today. Sit there doing your zoom calls and leave the comments out I say

YABU for the simple fact that the government should be giving hospitality and the arts sector full financial support, so your anger should be directed at them, not the folks displaying a modicum of commen sense.

The whole country SHOULD be in lock down to circuit break.

Those in "cushy jobs" are not responsible for YOUR circumstances and I say that as someone who's DD also works in hospitality and is struggling to get her 1st mortgage.

Also: my colleagues and I in the NHS have worked relentlessly throughout this pandemic and it was bloody scary: we would LOVED to have sat on out arse at home on full pay for any length of time because we were all scared shitless but we kept this show on the road (with other frontliners) so I find your self pitying post rude and insensitive..... I wouldn't DREAM of whittering on about how lucky my DD is to be sitting around at home whilst I'm slogging my guts out given her current situation so what makes your post acceptable?

We've ALL had it hard so try and remember that when you're in full on blame mode.

I’d love another full lockdown - without the excessive hour that everyone abused.
We’re wholesalers to restaurants but lives matter more.

@FelicisNox

YABU for the simple fact that the government should be giving hospitality and the arts sector full financial support, so your anger should be directed at them, not the folks displaying a modicum of commen sense.

The whole country SHOULD be in lock down to circuit break.

Those in "cushy jobs" are not responsible for YOUR circumstances and I say that as someone who's DD also works in hospitality and is struggling to get her 1st mortgage.

Also: my colleagues and I in the NHS have worked relentlessly throughout this pandemic and it was bloody scary: we would LOVED to have sat on out arse at home on full pay for any length of time because we were all scared shitless but we kept this show on the road (with other frontliners) so I find your self pitying post rude and insensitive..... I wouldn't DREAM of whittering on about how lucky my DD is to be sitting around at home whilst I'm slogging my guts out given her current situation so what makes your post acceptable?

We've ALL had it hard so try and remember that when you're in full on blame mode.

Bloody well said

My job isn't secure but I am in favour of the suggested circuit break. If it works then it may be a good way to keep numbers under control rather then lengthy continuous restrictions. I'm not in favour of a repeat of the first lock down but if a 2 or 3 week strict lock down can reduce the numbers dramatically then I am in favour.

I’m lucky I have a job that I won’t loose but also unlucky in the fact my safety is decided by people safety tucked up in their office able to social distance and seem to think it’s ok to withhold valuable ppe because THEY don’t think we need it and a paper mask is fine.

Your assumption is astonishing, I work in asset management and yes it is a safe job/career that I worked hard to enter.

My company is paying us as normal and has not taken a penny from the government scheme on offer, and I am currently working from home...

Well, you are WRONG, it is not just people in 'safe jobs' as you assume with your comment, and trust me, jobs will be going in ALL sectors including ours when this virus eventually comes under control!

They do say ignorance is bliss!

@user1472151176

My job isn't secure but I am in favour of the suggested circuit break. If it works then it may be a good way to keep numbers under control rather then lengthy continuous restrictions. I'm not in favour of a repeat of the first lock down but if a 2 or 3 week strict lock down can reduce the numbers dramatically then I am in favour.

Trouble is that the numbers didn't reduce dramatically in the first 2/3 weeks of the March-June lockdown. It took months, not weeks and the lockdown was more severe and complied with than the proposed circuit breaker.

Ermmmm I don’t work due to health issues (not on benefits FYI) and husband lost his job in May and yet we still wish for whatever will get this virus slowed down, be it lockdown or whatever!!! Rather be alive to see another day than what’s going on out there if we let people run rampant as they appear to be up north! People are too dumb to self regulate I’m seeing around me so if it has to be a lockdown then so be it.

Horrible for you I know but do you really think people are calling for a lock down because they just don’t care? Hard but get a grip. Do you know anyone who has died?

YANBU.

For those working in customer facing roles, a lockdown makes little to no difference to them personally. They still have to serve the public and work regardless. Most of the ones calling for lockdowns are happily sitting in their home office with an Ocado order every week and Amazon dropping anything else they need through their letterbox. They haven't a bloody clue.

A previous poster wrote

“It's absolutely shocking that some people can't see how this will affect others“

Couldn’t agree more

Can no one understand that this is being done to try to reduce the R number to keep ms y people safe and also to not overwhelm NHS with covid cases.

@stretchedmarks

YANBU.

For those working in customer facing roles, a lockdown makes little to no difference to them personally. They still have to serve the public and work regardless. Most of the ones calling for lockdowns are happily sitting in their home office with an Ocado order every week and Amazon dropping anything else they need through their letterbox. They haven't a bloody clue.

Amongst the loudest voices for containment measures are frontline hospital doctors, nurses, and other HCP workers. You know, the people seeing the actual severity of the situation, putting themselves at risk (of PTSD as well as Covid or non Covid) whilst caring for others.

Then there's the Amazon and Ocado delivery drivers. They certainly don't want or need additional risks of extra people out and about spreading Covid.

It can't be denied that the push against containment measures - ignoring economic and medical expert advice - is coming from very rich people who don't have to put themselves at risk. They live in large homes in the shires or abroad, with enough money to risk the economic damage of their short-termist greed. Afterall it's the poor who are most at risk from Covid. No wonder some rich people don't care about it.

Both my husband and I work in hospitality - in events like football, horse racing etc. We make nearly all our annual income from March - October. All the big race meetings, Chelsea flower show etc. It’s not just hospitality there are thousands of ancillary jobs linked to it as well. I am particularly cheesed off today as I live in an area classed as Tier 2. But we have had 1 death in 73 days Up to Wednesday in our main hospital - which serves 380,000 people, and there are 16 people currently in intensive care over this hospital and its sister one about 15 miles away. We have a university too. With the improvements made to the treatment of covid, and these patients are not reported as being on ventilators it’s likely that the majority will recover. For this our economy is being destroyed, our kids will be paying for this for decades, and many of us will be impoverished for years. On a side note I am in contact with an old people’s home near Leicester as my MIL went there for respite last year. It’s not a care home and their residents are just old, and don’t want to live alone. They rang me a couple of weeks ago to see how MIL has been. During the conversation the manager told me they had not had a single case of Covid, which is great. In the next breath she told me that 3 people (out of 28) had died in the previous 2 weeks. But they were the first deaths for months. So it’s not just Covid that kills the elderly in homes. It can be easy to overlook that in the current climate. Anyway sorry rant over.

I don’t particularly want a lock down. My business suffered and will probably suffer again if there is another one.

But if Covid is just left to rip it’s way through society then the last thing on anyone’s minds will be going to hospitality venues or anywhere. People will start staying at home. They will stop spending money. Those hospitality businesses won’t be given any financial aid because we ‘aren’t in lockdown’ and they can ‘trade.’ Instead the Tories will keep their cash and say that those businesses weren’t viable anyway which is why they went bust... all lies and spin.

Looks like we are damned either way if I’m honest.

And my business is by no means safe or cushy and although I can work from home very few people want online services in my sector

I don’t trust anything Patrick Vallance says since I found out he is set to benefit financially when a vaccine is available

This isn’t a virus that affects the young to any great extent. We have even smaller numbers of people dying. I not even sure I trust the current numbers. “People dying with covid” is ringing loudly in my head.

Whilst I don’t advocate or want “to let it rip” neither to I think the current trajectory is right. The government’s doomsday numbers are consistently wrong. It seems clear there is some immunity offered for some time. To let the young now contract this moves us forward. Current measures will kill tens of thousands through poverty alone, and lets lot start to think of the heartbreaking numbers we are beginning to see of preventable non-covid deaths

I feel like I am insane and see the whole thing as sheer lunacy that no one else can see. I assume I must be mad, quite mad. I cannot fathom the decision making. I would section myself could I obtain a gp appointment to do so.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I don’t trust anything Patrick Vallance says since I found out he is set to benefit financially when a vaccine is available

This isn’t a virus that affects the young to any great extent. We have even smaller numbers of people dying. I not even sure I trust the current numbers. “People dying with covid” is ringing loudly in my head.

Whilst I don’t advocate or want “to let it rip” neither to I think the current trajectory is right. The government’s doomsday numbers are consistently wrong. It seems clear there is some immunity offered for some time. To let the young now contract this moves us forward. Current measures will kill tens of thousands through poverty alone, and lets lot start to think of the heartbreaking numbers we are beginning to see of preventable non-covid deaths

I feel like I am insane and see the whole thing as sheer lunacy that no one else can see. I assume I must be mad, quite mad. I cannot fathom the decision making. I would section myself could I obtain a gp appointment to do so.

I agree and he isn’t the only one.