Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

My job is safe, I enjoyed lock down with my dp. I was paid well over lock down as I had just received a good pay rise.
I 100% don't want another one.
Let those that really need to isolate/do what they need to feel safe. Let the rest of us crack on.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

I don’t trust anything Patrick Vallance says since I found out he is set to benefit financially when a vaccine is available

This isn’t a virus that affects the young to any great extent. We have even smaller numbers of people dying. I not even sure I trust the current numbers. “People dying with covid” is ringing loudly in my head.

Whilst I don’t advocate or want “to let it rip” neither to I think the current trajectory is right. The government’s doomsday numbers are consistently wrong. It seems clear there is some immunity offered for some time. To let the young now contract this moves us forward. Current measures will kill tens of thousands through poverty alone, and lets lot start to think of the heartbreaking numbers we are beginning to see of preventable non-covid deaths

I feel like I am insane and see the whole thing as sheer lunacy that no one else can see. I assume I must be mad, quite mad. I cannot fathom the decision making. I would section myself could I obtain a gp appointment to do so.

I'm not commenting one way or the other on what the government or it's advisors are / are not doing but I am really sorry you are wrong to say he stands to benefit financially. The fact this story is being spun in the media is an example of how the pandemic is being politized.

The fact he holds deferred shares in GSK is in no way an indication he stands to profit personally from the vaccine. Deferred shares by definition have to be held for a fixed (pre-set at issue) period of time before they can be sold. Knowing what deferred share plans look like, and how they are used in companies like this, I really can't see even the remotest conflict of interest or indication he stands to profit.

GSK couldn't afford to risk a government official profiting, there are extensive regulations everywhere in the world which govern the way in which companies in the medical sector can / cannot interact with government officials. Financial reward is the horseman of the apocalypse of wrong doing. GSK would be fined in such a huge way by regulators, it's just ridiculous to even suggest.

Don't believe everything you read in the papers, most of it is fiction.

@VillageGreenTree

I am loosing patience with people with low risk factors for COVID saying we should just let it rip through the population and take the hit of many many more thousands of deaths and an overwhelmed NHS. Finances can be recovered. You can't recover from death.

You don't think pushing people into extreme poverty is not public health matter ? and its highly likely you are not going to bounce back from that FACT ; Poverty kills and effects more people more then covid 19 . no one should be in position to stave to death or die of poverty related diseases in this Stone Age .

Both mine and partners jobs are safe and we dont want lockdown. I dont know anyone who wants it.

The countries that are doing best economically are those that control the virus. If lockdown is what it takes to get us back to some kind of normal, so be it.

But I think 8 would only consent if test and trace was improved and anyone forced to self isolate was given a big more cash, and a lot more support Including people calling on them every day , bringing supplies if needs be, and free hotel accommodation for those who can't isolate at home.

I am so sorry your job is at risk and know what an awful feeling that is OP. Mine has been at risk several times over the past 10 years due to austerity measures and I fully expect it to be at risk again from January when contracts come up for renewal in March. I am however lucky that over lockdown my income hasn't been impacted.

What I really hate about this situation is that it pits ordinary people with genuine worries against each other.

The real issue here is that if we had a decent government who had been proactive in containing the virus and had put in place proper financial support for people being affected by this virus, and if we had a competent test and trace service in place, we wouldn't be in the position that we are in now.

You can be sure that if the virus overwhelms us again, hospitality will be affected either way, lockdown or not. Who is going to want to go out for their tea, or plan a big party, or whatever, if they are seeing friends and family falling ill.

Sadly the government have allowed the situation to get out of control again. Hospitals in the North West are already to capacity. We're now at the point where only a circuit break will help us. And SAGE seemingly agree.

If they had locked down early in the first place, we wouldn't have needed as long a lockdown as levels would have been much lower. It wouldn't have cost as much. I don't think we should make the same mistakes twice.

Instead of aiming your frustration at ordinary people who are also concerned about the situation we find ourselves in, aim it at the government. Write to your MP - tell them that hospitality businesses need proper financial support to survive. Tell them to get test and trace sorted. Tell them to make schools safer. Ask them why we still don't have effective border control policies for the virus - etc.

I wish you and your husband lots of luck and really hope that you keep your jobs and that things improve (for all of us) soon.

@catsarecute
You explain it all very well.
Good post.

@SheepandCow thank you!

I am fortunate to have a very safe job and have worked from home 100% since March. In fact the nature of my business means that I've been busier than ever and therefore earned more.

However, I do not want another lockdown. Neither does my dh and nobody I know wants one either. I've found that People are ok with increased restrictions if they are localised and make sense but not a national shutdown. I live in an area of the uk with the lowest numbers of Covid.

As a someone who lives alone i get rather fed up with those who say people should avoid social mixing,When you live alone you need to social mix.We dont all live with partners or in extended families.

Im fairly well balanced and im happy living alone in normal times,but the last lockdown got to me,im a very social person and i find it damm hard not to be.Zoom etc and virtual cocktails do nothing for me.God knows how people who suffer from anxiety or depression get on. I imagine once this is over mental health problems will go through roof.

Also im retired but i feel awful about poor devils losing their jobs,and those not getting treatment for other illnesses,Im a cancer survivor of 5 years, who is fine and well now,i hate that others might not have same chance Yes we have to deal with the virus but what the hell else are we destroying.

YANBU OP. I find it outrageous that the hundreds of thousands of people in a similar situation who NEED to return to some sort of normality are the ones branded 'selfish'!

Countries that have successfully controlled the virus have less economic damage.

No-one wants lockdown - sensible people can see it's the option likely to do least economic damage and therefore more prospect of keeping people in work.

Every person who decides they will ignore the science and not wear a mask or will see lots of people and generally acts like a jerk puts at risk jobs, health care and education. Everyone needs to see as few people as possible.

And everyone needs to be aware that the young die too.
" Influencer who said coronavirus does not exist has died after contracting it Fitness coach Dmitriy Stuzhuk, aged just 33, warned his one million social media followers that coronavirus is not a short-lived disease before his condition rapidly deteriorated ”

Countries that have successfully controlled the virus have less economic damage.

Only if they successfully contained it the first time. Unfortunately, that’s not true of most of Europe. We’d need another three/four month lockdown to achieve that and the economic consequences of that would be appalling.

sensible people can see it's the option likely to do least economic damage and therefore more prospect of keeping people in work.

There’s no evidence for that at all. Locking down more sectors again, severely limiting opportunities to generate tax revenue, borrowing more and more. It’s an absolute economic disaster.

Especially hard to justify given the fatality rate of CV as it stands now. Much lower than it was in March/April.

Especially hard to justify given the fatality rate of CV as it stands now. Much lower than it was in March/April.

Not true actually. The death rate is now increasing the way it did in March; the total was 150 yesterday. (It was under 10 a day not that long ago.) If it goes on increasing like this it could end up like it did in April.

I'm not saying that a lockdown is the answer, it isn't IMO, but there's no place for complacency, especially as we're in the flu season; hospitals are already under pressure in hotspot regions. We do need to follow the restrictions in place, like wearing masks, social distancing and hygiene.

As a 53 yr old emergency medicine doctor I’d be all for a lockdown. I was shielding for 5 months as extremely clinically vulnerable. Since shielding is paused I’m back in the ED in a high risk area in a department overwhelmed by attendances, patients on the corridor and Covid everywhere. Even though I’m not in the respiratory areas I’m scared every single day. I’m a single parent and constantly fear I will catch it and die leaving my son alone.
Meanwhile my neighbours and the rest of the community flaunt the rules constantly. MPs behave with impunity whilst breaching the regulations and public gatherings go unhindered.
I and my colleagues put our lives on the line daily and a proportion of the public don’t give a shit. Those of us who don’t catch it and die or end up with permanent health conditions are getting PTSD. But don’t let that stop you going to the gym or having a bbq will you?
So yes I’d be in favour of a lockdown.

Finances can be recovered. You can't recover from death

A student in Manchester as committed suicide as a result of being locked up due to covid. His death IS because of covid, but he didn't have covid so that's ok, apparently.

I also read an article today about the effect of lockdown on young carers.

I am not in favour of lockdown. Or any stricter measures than we already have. If you are really worried, stay at home. But then a helicopter might crash on top of your house, or a lorry drive into it. Or a gas leak. Nothing is "safe". Just get on with life.

Do so many people truly not realise there is no such thing as normality during a pandemic? It makes me laugh all these calls for the government to outline a plan for the return to normality or to just allow people to get on with their lives. There is NO plan any government can put forward to achieve that. They can't exactly hunt it down and exterminate it can they!! Social distancing only has minimal benefit, it's obvious by the figures.

We have the same number of deaths per day we had late March right now. 2 weeks later, the peak came. We are heading for > 1000 deaths a day if we don't lock-down and for a worse 2nd peak that we had the first time round.

No one is saying it isn't hard. I don't want another lock down but I support doing it as YOUR life, YOUR FAMILY's LIFE, EVERY ONE's life is more important that me. That doesn't mean it hasn't impacted me very negatively already. It has, but I am not going to moan about it.

We all need to make the very best of the situation we are in

A vaccine will bring normality, if mass administered. Until then, this will spread indiscriminately unless steps are taken to contain it. People will keep dying. Fighting it won't change the facts. You can't evade a virus unless you literally quarantine yourself from it (aka lock down). Anymore who thinks they can 'cheat' science is sorely deluded.

The death figure is up two from last week. Anyone saying that the curve this time is the same as the one in March hasn’t really looked at the figures tbh.

Finances can be recovered. You can't recover from death

Says some one who doesn’t realise the amount of people who kill themselves or consider it due to debt.

I've a wfh job (which I hate and really miss office) and definitely do not want a lockdown of any kind so am totally with you OP.

So what is the amount of people who have killed themselves due to debt since March? Is it up to 40,000 yet?

@Porcupineinwaiting

So what is the amount of people who have killed themselves due to debt since March? Is it up to 40,000 yet?

According to The Money and Mental Health Policy Institute (MMHPI), set up by MSE founder Martin Lewis, 100,000 people in debt actually attempt suicide each year.

I also work in Bankruptcy and insolvency and many many clients have said they are at the point of driving their car in to a wall to end it. Do those that commit suicide not matter - are Covid deaths the only ones that count? What about about cancer deaths due to treatments being cancelled?

So don’t be crass. Covid is effecting everybody not just those who actually have it. Considering the average age of a Covid death is 82 it’s absurd to close down society and ruin everybody else’s life. 40,000 out of 66 MILLION should be enough for people to take an objective view.

@Codexdivinchi

Yes, it's the elderly who are mostly at risk of dying of Covid, but when will people accept that it isn't just about the number of deaths?

I've said before that I'm not calling for a lockdown, as I've seen the impact of the restrictions on my seriously mentally ill DB and my DDs of 11 and 8. But long Covid is debilitating and there's no end to it for far too many of us. (I've joined a Facebook support group recently and there are far too many of us.)

I already had CFS, so it doesn't make much difference to my contribution to society and I'm not claiming benefits. But a lot of people suffering from long Covid were living active lives and are now barely able to function. (They were also supposedly low risk according to the statistics being quoted on here.)

What @puffinsseagulls said.

People are calling for a lockdown because it’s the only thing that slows virus spread and it is raging out of control and killing a lot of people. No-one wants it. It’s just no-one has a better idea.