Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

I knlw @MooMooBooBoo I’ve been listen to the radio with my head in my hands this morning, there’s been a very deliberate sweeping under the carpet of how much of the population are actually at risk. We need to stop thinking it’s an 80 yo in a care home. Or those with illnesses.

Basically if you are 50 and overweight you are at high risk of being hospitalised by it, if you’re over 50 a man and overweight you’re at a really high risk and if you’re a man, of BAME heritage and overweight then you’ve got a massive risk - this accounts for a huge proportion of the working population!!

I hear you op and there is zero support for a national lockdown where I am.
I have heard and read all the arguments for another one and feel nothing but sympathy for those in jobs where you can't wfh or those jobs that have already disappeared and may take ages to come back again. There will be a vaccine , but that will take time. It's all totally shit.

It is also a huge dilemma for those in charge of us. Most of whom are protected by decent wages and pensions.

I'm in a safe job but I absolutely don't want another lockdown. I can't say I understand what it's like to be in the shoes of people who work in hospitality/retail/tourism etc but I have been doing my utmost during the summer to support those kinds of businesses. A two week lockdown is a waste of time in my opinion, what's it going to achieve?

Yes being overweight/obese is a risk but if you look at the death statistics most deaths have been in the over 80s and amongst those people with significant co-morbities/ vulnerabilities

I'm in Scotland and Nicola Sturgeon said yesterday that half the recent deaths had been in the under 80s. However, there was no mention of the fact that a significant number of deaths have been because of an outbreak in the cancer ward of a hospital and before that linked to 2 care homes.

Don't be angry with people for calling for lockdowns, be angry with a government that's thrown your industry under the bus while spunking BILLIONS at crony-run test and trace failures and non existent PPE.

Turns out there is a magic money tree, but only for making rich people richer, not for keeping people who would rather be working out of the gutter

@IwishIwasyoda

But once again, it isn't just about deaths! Long Covid is a reality for a lot of people and there will be more cases like that as infections increase. I already had CFS, so it hasn't changed my life all that much, but others were fit, healthy and quite young.

I have a safe job which i am very grateful for, especially at times like this. I would HATE another lockdown, my 4 year old was miserable and lethargic towards the end, she started school in September and is LOVING it and doing really well, i would hate her to be taken away from that as i doubt it would just be for 2 weeks.
Personally i think universities should close and be all online, refund the students some of their fee's and any accommodation costs they have incurred, plus i think under 21's should be banned from pubs etc for the winter.
I'm really sorry for those of you at risk or who have lost jobs already. I hope things bounce back for you

How do you teach practicals online? Most stem subjects are heavily practical

Both my friends who are teachers have been harping on about wanting a circuit breaker so they have a longer half term. That is literally the only reason they want it.

Are you sure? Simple because the chances of them just having a week off are minimal!

Under the lockdowns suggested schools could still be open, especially state primaries but they've also suggested older.

And even if not open they'd be expected to do remote learning access in a way they may not have had to do in March.

So if they're really saying that to you then they've not been reading about what it's likely to entail and will be very disappointed!

Personally i think universities should close and be all online, refund the students some of their fee's and any accommodation costs they have incurred, plus i think under 21's should be banned from pubs etc for the winter.

What massive ageism and discrimination! Punish the youth who are least at risk and going to have to deal with the fall out of all of this throughout their working lives so that you can enjoy yourself and go to the pub without them if anything ban the over 50's from the pub, they're the ones who, if they get it, are likely to end up in hospital vs the under 21's where the vast vast majority are asymptomatic or have minor symptoms like any other cold.

Also you talk about how your 4 year old was lethargic and miserable being at home all the time. Don't you think uni student are the same? It's miserable living and studying at home, you never get to leave, and you want to punish them further. You are the selfish one.

@Aragog not sure if it’ll be different in North Wales but yes, they really enjoyed the first lockdown and are hoping it happens again.

I know some people enjoyed lock down, I did to a point, no way do I want another one if it means people’s livelihoods are doing to be destroyed.

@Molly499

When are the public going to take some responsibility for this? The virus is spread by people so we have all done this to ourselves. It is easy to be tested but it seems that some with a positive result don’t then follow guidelines and stay home and keep the whole household home in isolation. The track and trace working properly could be a really useful tool but how many times have you read on here about people who give false contact details, don’t scan QR codes, and are basically putting a nail I someone’s coffin by their stupidity.

The town centres seem packed, why do people need to go in and go shopping all of the time, totally ridiculous and unnecessary. Pubs packed out, same deal...just why the need.

I feel sorry for people whose jobs and businesses are at risk, I really do, some areas will never recover, I get that, but in the scheme of things we also need to look at the bigger picture and the long term future.

The other difference in some European countries is that they have enforced the rules and have had a huge police presence to stop the stupid, selfish idiots who just don’t care.

Luckily I think that a huge amount of ‘at risk’ People have mostly stayed home and stayed safe. The fear of getting this if you don’t think you would survive is a real game changer. This may help the death rate going forward.

Totally agree. Not sure how this is smug but then people are never keen on common sense

Equally you could say that vulnerable people (or indeed anyone who ends up catching covid) are being thrown to the wolves because the government tried to get the economy going again before the virus was under control. No one wants lockdown or for anyone to lose their job as a result but it’s kind of like you have a chance of getting a new job but if you die of Covid there’s no chance of getting a new life or new organs if you survive but have long term damage

A family friend had a go at DP for this. He is earning a 6 figure salary from home but has missed out on a lot of events and seeing members of his own family. I agree though that it's obviously more worrying the idea of lockdown if you are not able to work from home.

@Doingitaloneandproud

I wfh and my job is at risk, I do not want or believe another lockdown is justified. It will delay the inevitable . Covid is looking more and more like a way of life, countries such as NZ have eradicated it but at What cost. They can't open their borders to most people, if they do they have the chance it'll come back as it already has. They have no herd immunity, like it or not herd immunity is a real thing and it's the reason Spanish flu burnt out. There is no vaccine for it. Life cannot keep stopping and starting. I know several people who have had it, children and 40 year olds and I still disagree with lockdown.

That's very easy to say when WfH though, isn't it?

I must admit, I sometimes grumble that I wish for a full lockdown because at least then I understood the bloody rules.

I also think that some retailers and business owners have been both lazy and greedy in furloughing everyone rather than use their staff to devise business adaptations to remodel, rather than simply wait for restrictions to ease. Several businesses in my area have thrived by adapting what they provide and have had huge support from locals wfh who typically used them weekend only.

And I'm really, REALLY pissed off by the flagrant misuse of the furlough scheme by various enterprises. (the payroll woman at the accountants we use has been flexibly furloughed and now has to do all her work in a third of the time - and her workload has increased because she's processing bloody furlough!)

I think that the scheme was a great short term plaster that was rolled out quickly, but there has been plenty of time now to put in more refined options.

That is the thing, we are all biased AND there is no clear cut right/wrong answer.

So if the impact of a lockdown is low for your family of course you'll prefer a lockdown to the health risk.
Same if the effects of lockdown are moderate but you are at a high health risk.
And the opposite as well, if you will loose a lot of money with a lockdown and you are not in an at-risk category of course you won't want a lockdown.
Human nature, nothing to get angry about. No side is right or wrong, they just have different perspectives and interests. Who would campaign for something that will bankrupt them? Who would campaign for something that might kill them?

Both my friends who are teachers have been harping on about wanting a circuit breaker so they have a longer half term. That is literally the only reason they want it.

Such a load of shit. Under Starmer's proposals, schools would stay fully open. Do you think I want to expend my annual leave, which can be rolled over and used in future, on a sodding lockdown?

Stop having a go at teachers. We are working very hard and are at more risk from Covid than most sectors.

We are all biased from the position we are in. I work in the NHS and an dreading this winter. I feel on my knees already after the last 6 months.

I feel sorry for those effected by lockdowns bit hundreds of thousands of deaths or people effected by long covid is not going to boost hospitality either....

YANBU. I'm self employed, lost my employed job. As I only have 1 year accounts I don't qualify for any help, and my business was practically decimated. Using savings to get through, and because or those I don't qualify for any benefit help. I'm really screwed if they lock it all down again

@IwishIwasyoda I wasn’t referring to deaths....I was referring to just hospital admissions, even if you don’t die admissions alone mean of people taken out of the countries workforce, it would wreak havoc. And even if you don’t die, see how cracking you’d feel after a few weeks in intensive care or on a ventilator, you’d be off work for months. If you’re in your 50’s you’d probably never be right again frankly.

@SaltyAndFresh I’m just repeating what they said. I’m not having a go at teachers, I’m having a go at my friends who happen to be teachers. Calm the fuck down man, chill the fuck out 😂

@SaltyAndFresh actually, 8 of my friends are teachers but only two out of the 8 have this opinion. One of them is secondary school
Level and the other nursery.
stop having a go at teachers oh ffs, I’m embarrassed for you.

@Chuggington2 agree, the resource use for not dying of covid is off the scale. To bring in a vaguely appropriate war analogy, it's like battlefield strategies where you'd aim to not kill the enemy, because a wound would take at least 2 people off the battlefield - 1 injured, and 1 or 2 getting them to safety - which reduces the opposing forces quicker

Absolutely @NoSleepInTheHeat if we’d have all made small sacrifices, individuals and businesses on opening back up we wouldn’t be in this position. The Government have been woeful but just looking at the hospitality sector they could have done a lot more to help themselves....they didn’t have to wait to be told.