Pubs V Schools

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I absolutely understand the importance of keeping schools open, but...

I live in an area which is likely to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, I personally know 7 people who have tested positive for Covid. One of which is most likely to have caught it in the care home she works in and 6 of which are most likely cases transmitted in school. I don't know anyone who thinks they may have caught it from a pub or restaurant. AIBU to think that the hospitality sector is being abandoned by the government?

I feel safer in a pub than I do a school.

fmlfmlfml I feel the exact same way!

Agree, it's madness closing the pubs down.

If you’re arguing that the pubs shouldn’t be closed I’d agree.
If you’re arguing that the schools should be closed, I disagree. Schools staying open should be a priority.

It's the foreign holidays which need to be stopped, but turkeys dont vote for Christmas MPs won't stop ski holidays and basement piss ups in Magaluf.

I think our children have been suffering enough. During lockdown everyone was screaming that pubs should remain shut so schools could reopen and i personally think this is the best thing to do.

So many children were getting very little or no education at all as well as little socialising. I'd happily have hairdressers and pubs close so my dd can stay in school. I'm in northumberland and have not heard of anyone who believes they have caught it from a school but have heard of several transmissions from pubs (although I personally still only know one person who has tested positive and they live in cumbria)

Schools staying open should be a priority.

And the government says it is a priority, so what funding are they giving schools to make them safer and more likely to stay open?

Yes NG we generally invest in our priorities yet apparently schools are such a priority covid is being allowed to bankrupt them even without effective measures being put in place

Better choice of drinks in a pub, less children too

Yeah I'm sick tbh of the public being pitted against eachother with ridiculous hierarchy of jobs.

Every job is someones livelihood. Their roof over their head etc

How quickly we forgot the country was kept running by people this feel are below them. The shop cashiers ,the couriers, etc

Now they are turning on pubs

Pubs have been treated like crap being forced to lose so much business by closing early. Maybe they should close them. Not cos I think they are responsible for the outbreaks but because they are going to be forced into bankruptcy just so no one has to pay them. If they were closed they could be furloughed. Furlough ir open properly. Not this. This isn't fair on them and its causing this weird us vs them between pubs and schools.

Maybe more investments should have been made in keeping schools as civid safe as possible. And not bankrupting schools and businesses while they all do wtf they like. And get away with it.

My problem isn’t schools being open, it’s the ‘management’ (for lack of a better term) of mixing outside of schools, especially with older children who are socialising in huge groups on the way home and after school hours/at weekends, plus mixing of households for younger children for things like play dates/multi-child pickups. And obviously distancing in schools is an issue as well, exacerbated by the out of school non-socially distanced household mixing.

It’s infuriating seeing groups of 8-20+ teens congregating in streets, parks and car parks with no masks, no distancing, rolling around all over each other either play fighting (the lads), hugging, linking arms, and taking multiple group selfies (the girls), cuddling and kissing (the ones who’ve coupled up), or causing some degree of trouble which inevitably involves close contact.

The teachers are fighting a pointless war of attrition during school hours with masks and distancing on school premises when this is what happens before and after.

@noblegiraffe DS1 school have said they spend more than £100 a day on wipes alone. Do you know what typical costs are incurred at the school you teach in per day/ week etc this non funded cost must be huge to schools

It’s infuriating seeing groups of 8-20+ teens congregating in streets, parks and car parks with no masks, no distancing, rolling around all over each other either play fighting (the lads), hugging, linking arms

Yeah they do this in school too.

Trouble is they've backed themselves into a corner. Boris & others have 'schools are safe''never again will we gave schools shut while pubs are open' so despite transmission being relatively low in pubs/restaurants etc they have to close them before they can do anything about schools really.

They've said enough times that if it was a 'infections only' decision then total lockdown would be the obvious answer, but keeping as much open as possible AND trying to keep a lid on the rise of infections is a balance.

Once you take out schools/unis and work places, hospitality is the next biggest risk, so what choice do they have really?

Corona virus wise schools & uni's SHOULD be closed, no doubt about it. But that would go down like a lead balloon wouldn't it!

[quote yoyo1234]@noblegiraffe DS1 school have said they spend more than £100 a day on wipes alone. Do you know what typical costs are incurred at the school you teach in per day/ week etc this non funded cost must be huge to schools [/quote]
Don’t know. We have hired an extra cleaner who goes around the site all day wiping door handles etc which is pretty expensive. We must be spending a fortune on hand sanitiser too (dispensers all around the place). All classrooms had to be kitted out with lidded bins, new signage, anti-viral spray and cloths. Plus buying shedloads of masks for the kids who break or lose theirs (now compulsory in corridors).

Putting different sections of society up against each other is only going to create animosity with too many people disagreeing, and when people disagree with rules for justifiable reasons, they aren’t going to follow them and the problem will only get worse.

While I believe schools being open is vitally important, it’s not everything to everyone. At an individual level, a primary age child who is safe with their carers at home is not more important than an adult who needs the hospitality industry to fund their family or a single adult who’s only social life and mental health relies on being able to visit a pub.

Even thinking only if children, it is massively more important that those in exam years are kept in school, but it’s not so important that those in reception to Y8 do. It doesn’t have to be all schools open versus all schools closed.

Maybe the rule should be that those who have children in schools aren’t allowed to visit pubs and restaurants but those that don’t have children in school can be allowed to do what matters to them.

@DeciduousPerennial

Yes, we live in the middle of a triangle of school/local shop/park, hundreds of teenagers all 'hanging out' fighting/hugging/kissing. All evening & at the weekends

I feel for the school putting SO much effort into keeping them in small bubbles in school and I do wonder what their parents are thinking, letting them hang around like this.

Schools need to close AND parents need to keep their kids at home, not roaming the streets/meeting up in large groups.

Schools won’t be closed, they have said that. But in my areas transmission and outbreaks has been when people haven’t social distanced eg in pubs ( cctv reports in the press to prove it ), a social club bingo night (they think the rules didn’t apply to them apparently) people meeting in large groups at home ( they think the rules don’t apply to them apparently) taxi drivers ( they think the rules don’t apply to them apparently) ..... basically people thinking and wanting the rules to not exist. I just cannot get my head around the fact that half of us are being compliant and everyone else is sticking two fingers up to the rules. They might not be perfect ( and I know they are far from it in terms of how it’s all been managed) but while we still have those people who don’t want to comply, Covid will remain. Sadly.

Do people genuinely think that teens are social distancing and not hugging/play fighting at school?

@yoyo1234 the additional cost of sanitiser, cleaning products and increase in cleaners on site is £2000 at my school. No extra funding.

Sorry that should say £2000 per month

It’s infuriating seeing groups of 8-20+ teens congregating in streets, parks and car parks with no masks, no distancing, rolling around all over each other either play fighting (the lads), hugging, linking arms, and taking multiple group selfies (the girls), cuddling and kissing (the ones who’ve coupled up), or causing some degree of trouble which inevitably involves close contact.

If you were a teen you'd see adults doing worse. They go to pubs to drink, congregate in parks and car parks, and allowing their children and dogs not to social distance from others. They will have seen that supermarkets are full of adults not wearing masks correctly even though it's just a short time period of discomfort and others openly flouting the mask rule despite being able to wear them. Why would teenagers follow rules that adults aren't abiding by and not enforcing? Either CV is a threat and everybody should be taking precautions all of time (social distancing etc) or someone needs to explain why it's in school corridors and outside the school gates but not in overcrowded classrooms. They know that the rules are bullshit and affect them more than certain categories of adults like MPs.

Boris spread lies about schools being safe and children not transmitting. Blame him and not the kids

Oh yeah I do blame him.

Give police powers to break up groups of people then apparently its ok to stand less than 2m.away from others and congregate in groups if you are clapping.

You can force eveeyone back to work then forget the huge numbers of women who rely on schools and grandparents for childcare

You allowed strip clubs to open before schools...

And yet we are surprised this is happening.

I do t think the pubs should close but as a pp said, if hire asking do I think schools should close then no. I think the impact on children's education is too high and they shouldn't be closed again nationally.