Pubs V Schools

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I absolutely understand the importance of keeping schools open, but...

I live in an area which is likely to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, I personally know 7 people who have tested positive for Covid. One of which is most likely to have caught it in the care home she works in and 6 of which are most likely cases transmitted in school. I don't know anyone who thinks they may have caught it from a pub or restaurant. AIBU to think that the hospitality sector is being abandoned by the government?

Teachers are quick to shout out about teacher bashing, they don't like it when they are pulled up for doing the same thing to parents @TheHoneyBadger @monkeytennis97 remember when parents post about struggling with teaching during lockdown it's genuine, they don't have the same skills are training as teachers. Abit of sympathy instead of accusing them of lacking in parenting kills wouldn't go amiss.

@Thehoneybadger you are a prime example of why parents complaining about teachers. Zero understanding and tolerance towards genuine issues. You even have the ignorance to mock when we describe our kids as not a moments trouble. Take a long hard look at yourself.

Lead by example is what I find works Marzipan ie. your advise about sympathy.

My 'empathy' (not a fan of sympathy) was right there in my post about battling with my lazy ds to get his maths done but iirc you didn't bother to even read my posts let alone empathise with them before going into full attack mode and labelling my son a 'poor child'.

Accountability. Responsibility for one's own actions. Listening. Treating others as you would like to be treated. Would you like me to tell you more of what I spend my days trying to role model and instil into other people's children?

How about you extend your awareness that you struggled to engage even you're archangel child with learning into empathy with teachers that we have to engage hundreds of lesser mortals every week?

Than god my child's teachers are nothing like you. They where actually very supportive during lockdown of while my son was struggling and agreed online disento work for him despite his outstanding work and behaviour in school. We need teachers like that not self righteous ones like you.

And no, spending my days being 'relentlessly patient' and 'relentlessly positive' with teenagers who may only encounter measured, normal, emotionally regulated behaviour in adults at school doesn't mean I have to be relentlessly patient with rude, ignorant, individuals who don't bother to even read before launching into attack and false accusations on the internet. I don't get paid by mnhq and you're not a child.

@Marzipan12 we are parents too!! In fact we are parents first, teachers second.

I was massively supportive to my students actually and to their parents. And continue to be.

Not sure how you determine I'm, 'the teacher from hell' on basis of how I interact with a rude, attacking and ignorant poster on an internet forum.

Also now you say his teachers were great when you moaning before about him being given too much work (despite being a saintly genius). Goodness knows how mere mortals coped with all that work.

Ah yes, attack someone's professionalism because they disagree with you.

@TheHoneyBadger ignore it. It's meant to get a rise out of you.

I don't even think it's that calculated this time Enough. It's not even thought through or reflected upon in this instance let alone calculated. Thank you though. I feel I've been less than my usual self in responding the way I have here but having your words twisted and misrepresented by someone who clearly hasn't even bothered to read what you said is.... irksome.

You critiqued other posters parenting skills whilst they where genuinely sharing their struggles with kids and school work during lockdown, that's where this began. You didn't take kindly to the fact that this is unacceptable. You have mentioned your child is a hand full, perhaps correct your parenting before judging others. I would also like to point out it is you who has twisted my words.

P lease note. If you hate parents attacking teachers then look at your own actions. This started because you made accusations about a parents ability to parent. It's funny how certain teachers are so defensive when it happens to them but so easily attack parents in the same way .

I most teachers understand that children learn in different ways . You completely failed to understand that while my child is very bright he also struggled with the volume of online work at only 12 years old how as a teacher can you not understand that that is a possibility? Instead you mocked him 😈 Shame on you or any teacher who dies that to a child either in person or on the Internet. And like I had you really need to work on your own parenting skills before judging others because by how you described your son they need work.

I'm not defensive in the slightest and my child is not 'a handful' and in need of proper parenting as you put it. He's a normal 13yo bright but a bit lazy boy. And when you determine you will make your kids do their maths you're in for a bit of a wrestle especially when it's very challenging. This is normal stuff and it's bizarre to me that you try to imply first that he's a, 'poor child' for me making him engage with maths and now some kind of delinquent that needs parenting better because he experiences normal teenage emotions like frustration and pushing boundaries (i'm also a counsellor - this is entirely developmentally healthy in case you care).

I didn't criticise 'a parent'. I criticised the way in which some parents talked so passively about their own children's experiences as if they had no part in them.

You're literally turning me into multiple strawmen, many of whom have nothing in common with each other let alone me.

You're literally posting devil pictures at me now?! Whilst demonising me and my son. Yes wrestling kids to work beyond their effort levels to do hard thinking effort is met with resistance and this is absolutely normal - trust me I know given I've worked with thousands of teenagers in schools, in mental health units and in delivering family therapy.

Again your comments don't make the slightest bit defensive. My son is fab just as he is, a normal teen in terms of testing boundaries and questioning authority and going through big changes physically, hormonally and in terms of responsibility but also emotionally very intelligent and on track for coming out of adolescence with the right balance of respect and dealing with expectations v independent thinking, autonomy and creativity. I wouldn't want a pedestalled child I thought was an angel - they tend to have horrible crashes to earth when faced with reality.

@Ecosse

Its funny that you think that the answer to sanitiser at school is for the teachers to pay and not the parents to provide it.

Its even more ridiculous that you are posting bullshit about teachers pay scales.

But carry on, I could do with a laugh.

@FrippEnos this poster also feels that NHS staff should be forced to work anywhere in the country - so I'd take no notice. It's very bizarre.

@Pomegranatespompom

I suspect that she is just goading but I am more than happy to laugh at her efforts.

My dd school have so far managed Ok, despite being central Manchester. They are keeping to their households which means they can cuddle members. It must be hard for teens who can't have any physical contact with friends.
They had an inspection last week, and a note from the head below. Mine isn't a state school, but they can't afford to let it slip.

The best part of the Inspection came when she said, 'I cannot think of anything you have forgotten, or to improve. You have managed to implement all of the guidance and still have happy children'!

@TheHoneyBadger I don't place my child on a pedestal I'm responding to the thread He is a very bright boy and he is never any trouble, works hard in school but struggles with online which was the point I was making. He has also had a very challenging life and I can assure you faces life's reality with his level of tolerance towards disabled siblings, no doubt you are going to twist that aswell. You carnt tell other parents they need to improve their parenting then become defensive when someone points out yours also needs improving. You also carnt keep spouting teacher bashing when someone has a different opinion or pulls you up on the fact that you are also offensive to parents.

Just because you have worked with thousands of teens that does not mean you are an expert in dealing with every teen and how they cope. My son's teachers have also worked with thousands yet completely understand why he had the issues with home learning. Like I said before every child is an individual and must be treated as such based on their home life and individual needs, that's something you seem to have forgotten. Mocking other posters kids is undesirable and frankly discusting behaviour from someone who suuposedly has experience of over a thousand teens.

You also need to work on your listening g skills when dealing with parents, judging by this thread you don't actually listen to parents. To be effective you need to work with parents which thankfully my child's teachers do.

NB This is the internet not my workplace.

Excellent response to avoid the issues 😉😂