Pubs V Schools

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I absolutely understand the importance of keeping schools open, but...

I live in an area which is likely to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, I personally know 7 people who have tested positive for Covid. One of which is most likely to have caught it in the care home she works in and 6 of which are most likely cases transmitted in school. I don't know anyone who thinks they may have caught it from a pub or restaurant. AIBU to think that the hospitality sector is being abandoned by the government?

An unusual tactic to come on a thread and suggest everyone is a fatty lazy lush smoker.

@DBML I'm not saying it's OK. I'm saying it's the reality. If you don't have an understanding workplace then you're in a difficult position. Covid isn't the only problem that people are facing.

@Chailatteplease

I actually disagree.

If a child misses a whole year of education, that’s all they lose. A year of education. They can catch up; they can still go to college; they can still end up at uni; they’ll be more years of education.

If a wo/man loses his or her livelihood and can’t pay their bills, they can lose their home; go into impossible debt; suffer for many many years to come.

So whilst I hope schools can remain open for my well-being as much as the kids, stop being so fucking selfish. Everyone matters. Every single job matters.

This is what I hear when I read these threads...

I’m a parent! And if my kids don’t go to school, I’ll lose my job! So if that means other people have to lose their jobs so be it!

Everyone matters. Every single job matters

Except school and childcare staff. We - our jobs - don’t matter. Everyone gets to do their job and send their coughing, sick children into school and we have to accept that because we’re salaried and not on minimum wage? Because no teacher out there has a family depending on them? Because no teacher has health concerns? Because all teachers live in some kind of vacuum that means covid won’t affect them?

The next resignation date is fast approaching. Parents really need to be careful what they wish for.

A quick Google suggests that average pay for a secondary teacher (which would presumably mean all those who were not heads / deputies) is around £29k, and that for a primary teacher is around 26K.

Given that I earned £17k when I first took a graduate traineeship in industry at the age of 24, an average of £26k doesn't look all that good for a wholly graduate profession nearly 30 years later....

@dbml that's so true. The majority of people aren't parents with primary kids so...?

Also, as a primary school teacher, I have so deeply had enough of people saying that schools need to stay open at all costs because children have suffered enough, I just can't tolerate that argument. Everyone from every age group has suffered, children aren't more important than the elderly being isolated, young adults unable to get jobs and go to university, people my age having their first children and their parents unable to meet their grandkids. Children do not matter more than everyone else in society and I am done with pretending they do.

@cantkeepawayforever not sure if that's an old figure or if it's different elsewhere in the UK but as a Scottish primary teacher at the top of the seniority scale I earn 41k a year.

Am I in some bizarre parallel universe where people think educating children is less important than adults going out for a beer? Have we gone back to the Victorian times when children had no rights?
Jesus some of you have twisted priorities.

@Eng123

Schools are essential. Education is the future of our children and our country, never more so than at age current time. I don't care if pubs are a lower risk than schools they still close first! Yes I know its peoples living but it has to be done.

Absolutely

"Schools need to stay open as a priority, children have missed more than enough education."

Then perhaps the Government should prioritise funding it then. And maybe it should be the parents who also fund some sanitiser for their child's class.

Fro the record, the last "massive" payrise I was reputed to get, was so paltry I didn't actually notice it and went to the salary bod in the office to ask when we were getting it. It turned out to be £7 per month.
I wonder how many bottles of sanitiser that would fund?

@Ecosse, I suspect you're being deliberately goady, but it's not teachers who need to curry favour with the general public. You need us way more than we need you right now.

People desperate for a drink could always come into a school and take a swig of the teacher-funded hand sanitiser.

We could cover both education and out-of-the-house piss-ups.

@Ladywinesalot

The hysteria on this thread of the youth is ridiculous.

How many of you waving the flag for schools to close are taking responsibility of your own health so you don’t suffer WHEN you catch covid?

Stop smoking, decrease alcohol consumption, lose weight or actually exercise?!

Take responsibility for your own health FFS

Exactly.

2 big “at risk” groups are smokers and people who are obese. Both of these are avoidable risks. Stop expecting others to make sacrifices for your health so you can carry on abusing it!

[quote letsghostdance]@cantkeepawayforever not sure if that's an old figure or if it's different elsewhere in the UK but as a Scottish primary teacher at the top of the seniority scale I earn 41k a year.[/quote]
The figures i give are averages.

Unfortunately, in England particularly, teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and increasingly it is very much a profession in which young people work for a fairly short period after qualifying.

Schools have massively stretched budgets and therefore also tend to recruit younger, cheaper teachers if they possibly can. A scan of local vacancies indicate almost no recruitment above the main pay scale (so over 6 years of experience), so experienced teachers looking to move often have to accept a pay cut.

This is bringing the average pay down.

@Mintychoc1

No, you’ve entered a dimension where your child’s education doesn’t trump the livelihood of the poor sods serving those drinks at the pub. No one cares about going for a beer.

Come on - obesity is a lot more complex than taking responsibility.

Before you assume, I’m not obese..

@Mintychoc1

Yeah, I agree...and those born with type 1 diabetes or cystic fibrosis, well just sort yourselves out won’t you! Perhaps now they’ll do something about it eh?!

I thought smokers fared better than you might expect with covid?

[quote DBML]@Mintychoc1

Yeah, I agree...and those born with type 1 diabetes or cystic fibrosis, well just sort yourselves out won’t you! Perhaps now they’ll do something about it eh?!

[/quote]
I said that smoking and obesity increase risk.
I didn’t say anything about other conditions.
Perhaps you didn’t understand .

[quote DBML]@Mintychoc1

No, you’ve entered a dimension where your child’s education doesn’t trump the livelihood of the poor sods serving those drinks at the pub. No one cares about going for a beer.[/quote]
Right, so we should close schools, rendering all parents of young children unable to go to work as they have to home educate their kids, just so that pub staff can keep working? Strange logic.

@Mintychoc1

I’ve covered this already. I don’t think schools should close, but I can’t stand hearing parents implying that their jobs somehow matter more than the other people affected.
The whole pubs v schools thing just pisses me off. It shouldn’t be anything v anything. Everything is important to someone and I’m not talking about the people who just want to get sloshed.
Any what would you give up to keep schools open? Nothing! How about we stop trying to make one thing more important than another, or at least pretend to show some humility about it all.

[quote DBML]@Mintychoc1

I’ve covered this already. I don’t think schools should close, but I can’t stand hearing parents implying that their jobs somehow matter more than the other people affected.
The whole pubs v schools thing just pisses me off. It shouldn’t be anything v anything. Everything is important to someone and I’m not talking about the people who just want to get sloshed.
Any what would you give up to keep schools open? Nothing! How about we stop trying to make one thing more important than another, or at least pretend to show some humility about it all.[/quote]
I have no desire to make one thing more important than another. But I’m sick of reading thread after thread in which kids and schools are blamed for the rise in cases. The implication being that schools should shut and all kids should be locked away, so that adults can go about their lives as normal, eating out, drinking, getting their eyebrows done and so on.
Stop blaming schools and I’ll stop going on about how important they are.

My daughter's teacher doesn't need to buy hand sanitizer to increase goodwill! She earns every penny she gets and shouldn't have to spend it on supplies for school. What a ridiculous thing to say - whatever teachers earn is nothing to do with it! And who are you to tell them how to spend their wages??

EXACTLY, fishfingers!

I don't see how closing hospitality venues will make a blind bit of difference to keeping schools open longer. And no one's "blaming" kids and schools. It is what it is, but noble is perfectly correct. We don't want them closed, we want them safer. And say what you like, they are most definitely NOT safe at the moment. Nowhere near.