Pubs V Schools

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I absolutely understand the importance of keeping schools open, but...

I live in an area which is likely to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, I personally know 7 people who have tested positive for Covid. One of which is most likely to have caught it in the care home she works in and 6 of which are most likely cases transmitted in school. I don't know anyone who thinks they may have caught it from a pub or restaurant. AIBU to think that the hospitality sector is being abandoned by the government?

@Ecosse I'm guessing that partners at a solicitor's firm are on a much higher salary than teachers.

Teachers have not had a pay rise yet. If school can fund it, it is likely to be from November.

@Waxonwaxoff0

Contrary to popular perception, many teachers are actually extremely well paid. The average salary for a classroom teacher is not far off £40,000 and some headteachers can earn over £100,000 a year.

Ha bloody ha. Buying one bottle or two for an office in no way compares to buying enough for over a hundred children I see in one day.

What you could possibly earn in theory is not the same as what school can afford to pay these days, hence a big move by schools to get rid of expensive staff and replace with new cheaper teachers. I've been teaching years and nowhere near 40k!

Closing down pubs will have an economic impact but no long term social cost

Apart from the people who rely on this industry for their living, people who live alone and can only meet their friends in pubs for lunch....all manner of people are affected if pubs and restaurants shut.

Newsflash - children are only part of society. Adults and their needs matter too.

@Appuskidu

The pubs and restaurants sound like they’ll be the first thing the government tries to close and then maybe gyms, clubs, beauty industry but I expect if numbers are still rocketing having done that, they’ll have to do something different with schools.

Pretending schools are fine, obfuscating the data (ooh, look at this chart showing something which we’ll imply shows that rates are not very high in schools...) and simply not talking about it will only work for so long.

This.

Did anyone else read the article in yesterday's Times about Whitty's report to Govt? I was honestly dumbfounded...

According to the news report, when Whitty presented the data last week, he conveniently left out schools. (The uni data hasn't kicked in yet. I'd imagine this would make it look even more dire)

Whitty's data showed that hospitality is the sector with most infections. Hence the decision to start closing pubs & restaurants.

Except it's bullshit. Education is clearly the sector with most spread but it doesn't fit the narrative or the promise to keep them open. At any cost, clearly.

The real picture is damning but they won't close schools until they are down to no staff. Fucking diabolical.

The average salary for a classroom teacher is not far off £40,000

That’s the maximum salary for a classroom teacher. Top of the upper pay scale is just over £40k outside London.

Real picture looks more like this.

And don't think this will include the most up to date university data.

For example, the 380 positive cases in BHam Uni this past week.

(Oh, and to the poster who recommended that teachers buy wipes & sanitizers to 'increase goodwill' with the public....
If working throughout lockdown, supporting home learning, providing packs for those families without tech, arranging food vouchers and providing childcare for keyworkers did sweet fuck all for 'goodwill', I doubt an extra pack of Dettol wipes in my weekly shop will.)

@theluckiest

Closing schools would have a huge impact not only on the economy (how can parents work with no childcare), but also on the life chances and life expectancy of our most deprived young people.

We would be doing an enormous disservice to our poorest DC by taking them out of school again and damaging their future prospects and therefore future health.

Schools cannot close again. It’s as simple as that.

@Ecosse you're either having a go at teachers or the nhs.

We're probably at a stage where most things are going to be closed for a while, we need to do something it there are to be hospital beds for everyone who needs one.

Love the idea that teachers should show they are ‘in tune with the public mood’ by paying for hand sanitiser, instead of the government showing that they are in tune with the public mood by paying for hand sanitiser.

Teachers are the ones who have put in all the work to open schools and who are keeping them open by not striking in protest at the ludicrous expectations of the government.

@theluckiest

I’m not saying teachers should be single-handedly responsible for school cleaning supplies.

But I think it would be a nice gesture and statement of intent for them to throw a few bottles of sanitiser in with the weekly shop.

The government simply does not have the money to provide stockpiles of hand sanitiser to every school.

Yep @Ecosse. I don't dispute that.

But closing pubs and restaurants will really do absolutely bugger all when the schools and unis are driving infection.

I think our children took the hit in the 1st lockdown, they were deprived of education and all that goes with the school environment.

I do think it's their turn to come first now and the schools should remain open. They need better funding more space and the teachers need more support.

I think we need to work out what parts of our economy our essential. Sadly yes this means people will loose their jobs and the government should continue to support those affected.

This is the time for the government to acknowledge the best way forward is to close the loophole of offshoring and ensure big corporations pay the tax owed, not take it off the most vulnerable. They didn't recognise this when they bailed out the banks for 500billion and it cost us 21billion for WW2, so we need to acknowledge this amount of debt is not abnormal and we need to support those who will be left in the gutter and not make it worse for them.

But I think it would be a nice gesture and statement of intent for them to throw a few bottles of sanitiser in with the weekly shop.

If parents are the ones insisting that teachers should be working in unsafe conditions so that their kids can stay in schools then I think maybe they should be the ones showing the goodwill here.

A teacher forking out for hand sanitiser on top of everything else might well be writing their resignation letter this half term.

@Ecosse hand sanitiser isn't going to keep schools open and it's ridiculous to think teachers should be responsible for this.

@Pomegranatespompom

Hospitals were nowhere close to being overwhelmed in April and there is no reason they would be now.

It would be a nice gesture for the Government to actually put in place the safety measures in schools that would have an impact (increased funding, staffing, increase & availability of facilities)

Is the fact that teaching staff are putting themselves and their families at risk every day for the benefit of their students not enough of a 'nice gesture'?!!!

@ecosse ITU's already almost full in north. It's not about beds, we need appropriately trained staff of which we have a shortage.

And I do bring in my own supplies of hand sanitizer...

...given to me by my DH who works in the private sector and whose company actually provided it for their employees. He reckons I need it more

@noblegiraffe

Classroom teachers outside London can be paid up to £41,604 and in London up to a whopping £50,935.

These are hardly paltry sums. Classroom teachers are well paid considering the qualifications required for the role and holidays available.

The average salary for a classroom teacher is not far off £40,000

That is the top of the upper pay scale-so, unless you are counting large numbers of SLT (who by doing some classroom teaching are being counted in the category of ‘classroom teacher’), who are on the leadership pay scale, then it won’t be. Averages don't work like that.

It really wouldn’t surprise me though if there is some skewed and misleading piece of data out there somewhere stating just that though.

Where do you think the school cases came from in the first place pubs? The cases would not be in school if people acted responsible 🙄 our sons school has its first case oh and the parents got it in a pub along with everyone else I know lately as got it from pubs

@Frazzled13

If you’re arguing that the pubs shouldn’t be closed I’d agree. If you’re arguing that the schools should be closed, I disagree. Schools staying open should be a priority.

Agree with this