Pubs V Schools

[Witchcraftandhokum]

I absolutely understand the importance of keeping schools open, but...

I live in an area which is likely to go into Tier 3 tomorrow, I personally know 7 people who have tested positive for Covid. One of which is most likely to have caught it in the care home she works in and 6 of which are most likely cases transmitted in school. I don't know anyone who thinks they may have caught it from a pub or restaurant. AIBU to think that the hospitality sector is being abandoned by the government?

@Whammyyammy

Better choice of drinks in a pub, less children too

Pmsl!

I'm inclined to agree though.

@noblegiraffe

What's the difference between adults crammed into a pub and kids crammed into a classroom?

The kids are unlikely to be pissed?

Our schools have allocated around £20k for additional Covid measures - cleaning, cleaners, hand wipes, sanitiser and screens etc.
This is money they have to find in a mon existent budget, so they will go further into debt.

Remember, it's what people do, not what they say. If this Govtvtruly valued schools and cared for children then they would put their, I mean OUR, taxpayers' money where their mouths are.

I'm not shocked as education has been underinvested in for years, abandoned. But I am fuming about this pretence that they care.

I’d happily see every pub close if it means children can stay at school - the educational, social, safeguarding and mental health benefits of children being in school far outweighs both the risks to/from children getting Covid and the economic benefits of pubs staying open.

I obviously feel for those who will be affected by pub closures but If it’s an either/or choice, schools staying open trumps pubs staying open.

Y?

I mean i have kids i want schools open but what do you think is paying fir them to go/get there....

You know families live above pubs right? So those same kids you want in school will not be abke to go if made homeless.

And the amount of money needed fir furlough would pay for cleaners, more test sites etc

the educational, social, safeguarding and mental health benefits of children being in school far outweighs both the risks to/from children getting Covid

But what about the people they give it to?

I don't want to see anything close but if it's a choice between pubs and schools then having schools open is more important to me.

Lakie I'm not sure there's that much difference between pissed adults and sober teens tbh.

Schools are in no way safe. Unless schools are given the money to ensure they are cleaned properly, and to cover the cost of hand sanitizer and other necessities, they should be closed. Staff in my school are scared and feel that it is only a matter of time before they are ill.

To be frank neither schools or pubs should be shutting. We have put life on hold for 6 months already and we cannot afford to do so again.

We need to get through this winter by retaining the current measures and putting shielding back in place.

Schools have adequate supplies of hand sanitiser and cleaning products but the government does not have a bottomless pit of money to continue funding these things- particularly not if the economy is shut again and people are unemployed instead of paying taxes like some seem to want.

The government simply does not have enough money to ensure every school is fully stocked with hand sanitiser at all times.

Perhaps teachers could put their hands in their pockets and show they are in tune with the public mood and buy a bottle of hand sanitiser a week for their schools?

Schools have to be the priority. Those are our future doctors/nurses/teachers/scientists/care workers.

Also pubs provide jobs nobody needs a pub as such.

Also in our secondary children are pretty much in one class all day unless they have pe/dance/It.

These are children who still are not getting the full learning experience. They are wearing Pe kits all day on Pe days so no need to open changing rooms.

They have had zero cases in their school. They are doing their bit while others are out clubbing in large groups giving no fucks.

Neither. Both should remain open.

Perhaps teachers could put their hands in their pockets and show they are in tune with the public mood and buy a bottle of hand sanitiser a week for their schools?

Why not the parents?

Teachers are already buying sanitizer, and wipes, and tissues.

We are sending in hand sanitizer for both primary and secondary my oldest also has a face mask in his blazer for if he wants to or the school decide he needs to wear one. Also personal glue sticks for primary in secondary they are expected to have all their own gear anyway. I’m more than happy to send my children in with everything they need.

My primary parents are not even been allowed into the playground to drop of their only just started 4/5 years olds to keep distances. The teachers take them from a gate.

Teachers spend enough of their own money FFS. Silly suggestion.

Pubs are much safer than schools right now.

I do sometimes wonder where the common sense is... Schools have now been open for weeks, if children were a major cause of the spread lost of the population would have covid right now.

As far as I can see numbers are rising but deaths mostly aren't, which means that covid is being predominantly spread amongst the 'right' populations, ie those who are young and will recover.

We need to now live with the virus without shutting down whole industries and perhaps permanently losing them forever.

My DD hangs out at the park with her friends after school. I am aware they are not social distancing, however, I find it difficult to enforce this with her when I know she's been sitting in close proximity to these same people, and 25 others for the previous 6 hours.

My DD came home the other day and said they'd been told they would have to pay for a mask if they forget or lose theirs as the school have paid £1500 on masks so far. DD always has a mask and I think that is fair enough.

@Ecosse

To be frank neither schools or pubs should be shutting. We have put life on hold for 6 months already and we cannot afford to do so again.

We need to get through this winter by retaining the current measures and putting shielding back in place.

Schools have adequate supplies of hand sanitiser and cleaning products but the government does not have a bottomless pit of money to continue funding these things- particularly not if the economy is shut again and people are unemployed instead of paying taxes like some seem to want.

The government simply does not have enough money to ensure every school is fully stocked with hand sanitiser at all times.

Perhaps teachers could put their hands in their pockets and show they are in tune with the public mood and buy a bottle of hand sanitiser a week for their schools?

Do you have any idea how much individual teachers spend of their own money anyway, in order to support their children?

And as for "buy your own sanitizer"...we could not get any through normal channels for the whole of June and July. I've spent well over £50 since September in buying wipes, tissues and sanitizer.

If we need this in schools, funding should be there for it. Don't tell us to do what we're already doing for the benefit of the children! We shouldn't have to do it but we do.

For schools to stay open this should be aggressively managed, all kids in half of the time. Secondary age kids, generally (I realise not all), are able to be at home, particularly if online throughout the day with a teacher. Supervision continuous. Primary it’s harder, other solutions need to be sought. Not all schools are the same and shouldn’t be lumped together as they are. An infant and a high school, in these circumstances need different solutions. Online learning the rest, online at all points in the day with their teacher. It will be hard, technology a nightmare and some kids won’t be able to. Identify this and put some money behind it. Local solutions sought. It can be done, and money can make most things work.

Schools shouldn’t close, but neither can we withstand this for a full year. Home study, planned and followed up by regular return to school.
Not perfect but better than closed and increasingly likely to be better than fully open. If the system breaks... we will close anyway. We need to work at reducing the numbers in school at any point, whilst maintaining relationships, friendships, appropriate social contact and learning.

When schools opened I was quite worried about cases building up but there were only limited cases in each year group. In my area it was enough to stop sending bubbles home and schools "contact tracing" instead via seating plans and social groups.

I was quite dubious about this especially as the kids keep asking about contacts on school buses which I tell them track and trace will take care of even though I'm not convinced they are.

Things did seems to settle down the last 2 weeks with no new cases amongst pupils but now all of a sudden there are 4 cases in my dept alone since last week and I wonder how many others are off as this info is not shared with staff unless you work it out from the cover list.

I guess many posters may say the teachers caught it at the local pub and not school but I am not convinced closing pubs will reduce cases.

I am increasingly convinced I'll have caught covid by Xmas if not half term, and it won't be from going down the pub. I am also quite worried about my vulnerable colleagues as I think most staff will inevitably catch it (in my lockdown areas school at least) in the next few months. I'm not even sure there will be any response by phe if there are outbreaks amongst staff. Hell I'm not even sure they are asking to be informed any more.

@Lancrelady80

Hand sanitiser and cleaning products are very expensive at the moment. The government is facing unprecedented demands on its budget at the moment at the same time as its income is plunging.

Unlike many people, teachers have not only been on full pay throughout but have also received a large pay rise this year and their jobs are secure.

I think it would be a good way for teachers to show they are in tune with the public mood and aware of the difficult circumstances they are in by purchasing a hand sanitiser or two for school with their weekly shopping.

DH is a solicitor and the partners at his firm have made a visible point of buying hand sanitiser and wipes for the office to avoid them coming out of firm funds.

Bloody hell - I've personally stocked the bookshelves in my classroom and now you want me to buy the sanitiser too? You really don't have a clue.