To be really angry that seeing my parents is illegal?

[Snailsetssail]

My area is very likely to be locked down next week. I am so furious that it’s going to be against the law for me to see my parents, and my children to see their grandparents. We did lockdown properly last time, it was absolutely awful. My mental health plummeted and I don’t think I can do it again. I rely on support from family and friends.

Just feeling so incredibly angry about it all tonight. Poor people in Leicester have lived like this for 100 days so far with no end in site.

I’m so fed up and I know I’m going to be told to just get on it it. But I just need a space to vent.

@whattodo2019

Suck it up!! How can we ever move forward it everyone refuses to abide by the rules.

Lots of people are struggling. But we have technology at least, to connect us with our loved ones. We have online shopping...

Come on, we need to pull together

Oh yes. The online world is the solution to everything.

Lockdown was only ever an option because enough people are so screen-bound that they could cope without real, human contact.

I loathe the idea of screen-based life. I don't shop online, and I don't see my friends online. I do both things in real life, whatever the rules are.

I disagree profoundly with every single part of the government's response to Covid.

This is in fact the first Conservative government I have never voted for, so at least I don't feel bad about having voted them in, because I didn't.

I can't see my elderly parents either for the foreseeable future, - neither can many, many people. What makes you so special?

@Wowthisisreal

Did I write this *@Snailsetssail*?!

Seriously though, the fact it is illegal to see your own family, the thought it would be illegal to see my own children when I have committed no crime to lose that right, I feel is a fundamental attack on human rights.

In the beginning it was about a lockdown and we didn't know what was happening and we complied. I know my GP do not want to live a life where they cannot see their family, however safe it makes them. At that age, they have been through enough and faced troublesome times but they have learned family and loved ones is most important.

The virus isn't going to go away. We need to live with this and honestly the compliance from the majority of the UK populations scares me!

Quite! People have so easily swallowed the line ‘it’s for your own benefit’ when in reality it’s fucking insane

Well, if everyone takes the attitude of ignoring the rules and carrying on seeing whoever they want, the length of restrictions will just be longer and longer. And of course more infections will happen and some people will die and they might be from your own family or perhaps from someone else’s.

That’s the Q really isn’t it.....will you accept some inconvenience and disappointment for yourself in order to protect someone you don’t know.

This all relies on the vast majority of people choosing to be inconvenienced and actually putting others first, but if people all decide they won’t do this, then actually cases will rise and people somewhere will die. You might not see a direct connection as in a death of someone you actually know (or I guess some people do...but most probably don’t realise it even when that direct connection exists like that) but transmissions can all be traced back to people who had too close contact with others. The trouble is, no-one can have a close contact and be totally sure they haven’t got it even if not showing symptoms. So you take a risk, for yourself, your family and for wider society.....because you want tos we your family. Yes it’s hard, but keep that hardship in perspective and try and grow some resilience.

Honestly, think of the hardships people live within lots of parts of the world and people here have lived with in the past and the very genuine difficulties lots of people here still live with daily and see your own inconveniences in perspective.

Are in Notts OP? It's much more than just the prison tbh, although the staff from the prison (many of whom have tested positive) aren't locked up! I have some connections there and staff are moving about in the community.

It's a shit situation when we are going to work and school, seeing strangers in shops and restaurants but not able to see those we love most.

MustWe

Totally agree with your parents needs to see you and her grandchildren.
I would be doing the same as you if any of my family were ill.

@vanillandhoney

TBH I suspect most people will ignore it. I don't blame them either.

And that is why cases are rising.

Too many ignoring the rules.

@demelza82

I can't see my elderly parents either for the foreseeable future, - neither can many, many people. What makes you so special?

I think you sound quite pleased about that tbh

Meanwhile most people with very elderly relatives don’t want them to spend their last bit of life isolated and depressed.

some inconvenience and disappointment

Is having your livelihood wiped out overnight in March "inconvenient and disappointing"? I'd say something a bit stronger than that.

People will die, whatever I do or don't do. They won't all die of Covid, though I realise this might come as a surprise.

The information I'm seeing is that the vast majority of infections are coming from the education sector.

If the government isn't going to shut that down (and I can, of course, see why they wouldn't), then continuing to lock down specific areas is not going to make a damn sight of difference.

Areas near me have been on tighter restrictions for a while now and most people are acting as normal. It's difficult to get people to listen when the government don't seem to have a clue what they're doing and are scapegoating entirely the wrong industries.

See your family.

That’s the Q really isn’t it.....will you accept some inconvenience and disappointment for yourself in order to protect someone you don’t know

Why does this only seem to apply to covid? What about all of the other things our western way of life entails which fuck over so many people?

@WombatChocolate that's what we all did before and IT DIDN'T WORK.

We have split up and are stuck together in this house and have been for months (under local lockdown). It's a nightmare. I want to go to my family.

I've spent time with my family once since March. Once. In July. I'm a single parent. In the NW, so local lockdown. Yeah, mental health is fun right now. I can't see my mum or my sisters. It is me and DD alone every day, as it has been for months. I spend no time with another adult. I do the school run, speak to no one and repeat. I wouldn't think of breaking the "rules" because I don't want to put my family at risk. Though who are so keen to do so, fuck the lot of you. I envy people who have someone, another adult with them.

It’s fucking ridiculous. I was talking to my 81 year old gran (on the phone, don’t panic #staysafe brigade!) and she said this is much, much worse than any war, recession or any other difficult time she has lived through. She has basically been by herself since March with very little contact with anyone and some of her friends who have who have died since the pandemic have done so pretty much alone on their death beds with hardly anyone at their funerals. At least during previous wars, although obviously horrendous times, there was a great community spirit and people came together which is how the nation pulled through. A lot of people I know are either losing jobs or at risk of losing jobs and nearly everyone I know is suffering from mental heath issues due to sheer loneliness and isolation from family and friends. How much more can people take before the human spirit dies?

Fuck it. Just don’t do it. Sweeping law changes with no opposition and we are just ok with that?

Complete undermining of the right to family life under Human Rights Law. Allowable only in a crisis, with an unknown low death rate.

Fuck that. How can people accept this.

Go see your family.

Rant at all the people who haven’t followed the rules, quite a lot appear to be on MN judging by posts

Rant at all the idiots who haven’t followed the rules and got us here 41% of the young who have it have visited pubs in the previous 10 days, blame them.

Until everyone follows the rules and the virus reduces we will be long with rolling lockdowns. Something in reality we all knew would happen because of winter and opening up of previous restrictions, I just didn’t realise how selfish people are in thinking the rules don’t apply to them, even with cases rising

@Inkpaperstars I’m Newark. No-where near Nottingham but will still be included in the county wide restrictions. The prison has caused a lot of the cases in our local area, I would like to see figures with these included so I can assertion the real risk for myself.

People often see anomalies in the rules and say ‘why can my child be in a room with 30 kids and I not see my old Nan’ etc etc.

The thing is, government has had to make choices. X amount of contact can happen and keep the virus under control and the question is where that should be ...what’s the best ‘use’ of the contact society can manage to have?

It’s been decided schools should stay open....that a big priority is for children to not miss more education. And it’s been decided to keep businesses running as much as possible and safe for limit economic damage. And the things that haven’t been chosen might end up being household mixing.....because that is where most of the infections happen and because it’s deemed less vitally necessary than some of the other things.

It’s a value judgement isn’t it. Some people will say seeing their NaN is more important than people going to pubs, or people going to school. But the thing is, we can’t all just choose and actually reduce contact to a level where it doesn’t spread. So it relies on us all doing what we’re asked to. When lots of people don’t, what’s the effect....cases rise and restrictions will tighten and be needed for longer still.......but people do t seem to be able to see that connection.

So when people are told they can’t have Christmas with each other, or perhaps the schools are closed again, or perhaps another year of school exams needs cancelling, or holidays next summer aren’t allowed....people will need to rememberer that their actions in ignoring what they were asked to do now have helped cause that.

My mum is frail and extremely vulnerable.
I've seen her once since last Christmas as she lives 160 miles away.
I work in a primary school with no PPE or social distancing.
My daughter, who lives at home, works in a public space that is still attracting people from many countries.
My husband is clinically vulnerable.
We just live, day by day.
It's hard, yes.

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That’s the Q really isn’t it.....will you accept some inconvenience and disappointment for yourself in order to protect someone you don’t know

Inconvenience and disappointment?

No I’m passed the point of protecting some one I don’t know when my 88 year old grandmother is getting depressed, weak legs because she’s not getting out. She isolated for five months. She deteriorated. This is not a way to finish the rest of her life.

Pay the 60 quid?

Lots of people are struggling. But we have technology at least, to connect us with our loved ones. We have online shopping...

Try telling that to people, like my elderly family members, who don't have 'technology' other than a phone so don't actually get to see anyone