To be really angry that seeing my parents is illegal?

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My area is very likely to be locked down next week. I am so furious that it’s going to be against the law for me to see my parents, and my children to see their grandparents. We did lockdown properly last time, it was absolutely awful. My mental health plummeted and I don’t think I can do it again. I rely on support from family and friends.

Just feeling so incredibly angry about it all tonight. Poor people in Leicester have lived like this for 100 days so far with no end in site.

I’m so fed up and I know I’m going to be told to just get on it it. But I just need a space to vent.

@Happyheartlovelife, well said.

I don't know why people compare Covid with the Flu, when there is a vaccine for one and not the other. The vaccine doesn't protect against all strands of the flu, but your chances of dying from it when vaccinated is certainly much much lower than dying from Covid.

I am mostly concerned about the long term effects now coming to light with Covid. There are a lot of unknowns still.
I always get the flu jab so do my best to avoid seasonal flu too.

Look, it’s a pandemic. We don’t have the sort of control over the natural world we like to think we do. It’s not the governments fault, it’s not your fault, and it’s not mine.

Our entire modern way of living makes us acutely vulnerable to both viral pathogens, and the sorts of economic devastation that we are walking into.

At this point there is little that can be done on a macro scale that will ameliorate things. What I strongly suggest people do is some prepping. Get some long lasting food supplies in, if you are fortunate enough to have an income, try to save at least six months salary if you can.

Maybe then after that look to supporting your nearest and dearest. I hope I am wrong in this, but I fear the second wave will be a lot worse than the first.

Exercise common sense and your best judgement. Yes even if that contravenes government mandate, just don’t do it lightly and don’t get caught! There is literally no way they can police the entire population without our support.

"Exercise common sense and your best judgement."

Some people don't have any.

And one of them is in 10 Downing Street, sadly!

“Exercise common sense and your best judgement”

If this thread is anything to go by, both of these are lacking in quite a few.....

No we’re still at 42,000 deaths since the beginning of March. There is also a lot of doubt over ‘Covid deaths’ as we know the way it was documented for about five months was a complete shit show.

Dying of terminal cancer ect should never have been documented as a Covid death. Many reports of families challenging death certificates because they were untrue of the nature of the death.

On the other hand one of my relatives died before the positive result came back. She had double pneumonia and very likely it was Covid but it wasn't documented as that as a test result was too late. There will be many more deaths like that as well as people who died of Covid after 28 days. The number of deaths could well have been underestimated rather than overestimated.

It stood at 49,000+ in July when they decided to knock of 5k and say only deaths within 28 days of a positive test would be counted + 50k excess deaths so yes they have now underestimated. As poster pointed out some due before test comes back some last longer than 28 days before their demise.

@Sostenueto

‘Excess deaths’ is not a good way to count as it includes all the deaths caused by lockdown and other health conditions not being treated.

The excess deaths figure is not quite the gotcha the lockdown fanatics think it is.

[quote Ecosse]@Sostenueto

‘Excess deaths’ is not a good way to count as it includes all the deaths caused by lockdown and other health conditions not being treated.

The excess deaths figure is not quite the gotcha the lockdown fanatics think it is.[/quote]
Lockdown isn't the reason that other health conditions have not been treated. If we hadn't had a lockdown that situation would have been a lot worse not better as there would have been more Covid cases and even less chance of being treated for anything.

belladonna I’m in the South Hams which has the second lowest rate in the country at the moment and has always been among the lowest. I have an ongoing condition that requires blood transfusions every 3 months. I was due to have one at the beginning of April but it was repeatedly cancelled due to coronavirus (despite the hospital I have the blood transfusion in not taking coronavirus patients at all). By August I was sleeping downstairs as I couldn’t walk up to bed, my ex husband had to move back in to look after the kids as I was sleeping 20 hours a day, my GP was almost in tears of frustration trying to get me an infusion and put me on the contraceptive implant as she was concerned I’d have serious heart issues I’d I lost any more blood just by having a period. I ended up travelling to London and paying over £1,200 for a private infusion, plus the cost of travel and a hotel. I was incredibly lucky to be able to do this.

I don’t doubt that in some areas lockdown has helped the NHS from being overwhelmed. In other areas it’s just caused many people to become seriously ill and have to resort to using private healthcare.

Your mental health is important OP. Do what you need to do to maintain it.

@FeckOffCup1

belladonna I’m in the South Hams which has the second lowest rate in the country at the moment and has always been among the lowest. I have an ongoing condition that requires blood transfusions every 3 months. I was due to have one at the beginning of April but it was repeatedly cancelled due to coronavirus (despite the hospital I have the blood transfusion in not taking coronavirus patients at all). By August I was sleeping downstairs as I couldn’t walk up to bed, my ex husband had to move back in to look after the kids as I was sleeping 20 hours a day, my GP was almost in tears of frustration trying to get me an infusion and put me on the contraceptive implant as she was concerned I’d have serious heart issues I’d I lost any more blood just by having a period. I ended up travelling to London and paying over £1,200 for a private infusion, plus the cost of travel and a hotel. I was incredibly lucky to be able to do this.

I don’t doubt that in some areas lockdown has helped the NHS from being overwhelmed. In other areas it’s just caused many people to become seriously ill and have to resort to using private healthcare.

It was still nothing to do with lockdown. Rightly or wrongly the NHS reorganised itself but that would have happened whether or not there was a lockdown. The fact that they didn't need to do it ultimately in some places is because lockdown worked. If there hadn't been a lockdown and cases had gone through the roof there would be even less chance of treatment. My own treatment has been delayed considerably, partly because of reorganisation but also because the consultant that treats me was working in ITU. Nothing to do with lockdown itself. I had hoped to get treatment next month because I am near the top of the waiting list now but if cases go up it probably won't happen.

FeckOffCup1

If that’s the cost, imagine how much your treatment costs the NHS every 3 months. I get you aren’t betting that at the moment, but it’s something you should be greatly for long term.

We are lucky in this country this treatment is free to all at the point of access, doctors, dentists for some, eyecare, hospitals, specialist treatment.

I have seen my parents once since September 2019 as their last visit was cancelled due to restrictions. We live in a different country so it will be difficult for some time. They are in their 70's so we manage on video calls so they can see the grand children. Thankfully we managed to coax them onto smart phones at the start of all of this.

But if lockdown worked and hospitals weren’t overwhelmed what was the excuse for the delay in restarting treatments? The NHS took over private hospitals so surely treatments like that mentioned by @FeckOffCup1 could have been carried out in those

The hospital I usually attend is a small cottage hospital that only does routine procedures and was not dealing with any Covid cases at all. The blood transfusions that I have 4 times a year to allow me to work and not claim benefits have been cancelled indefinitely. It makes absolutely no sense.

The Nightingale hospitals that were built during the first lockdown should be being used now so that normal NHS practice can continue even with the increase in cases with the second wave. But there’s no one to staff them and they seem to be just not mentioned anymore. The first lockdown should have been used as time to prepare for the inevitable second wave, get track and trace working, get a plan in place. But instead the government did fuck all, just tried to blame each other and get the public to blame it on people having a cup of tea with their gran in the garden. I don’t blame people for doing what they think is best at this point - the government have shown they haven’t got a clue.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

But if lockdown worked and hospitals weren’t overwhelmed what was the excuse for the delay in restarting treatments? The NHS took over private hospitals so surely treatments like that mentioned by *@FeckOffCup1* could have been carried out in those

They should have restarted treatments. The fact they didn't wasn't due to lockdown though. If anything that helped.

@FeckOffCup1

The hospital I usually attend is a small cottage hospital that only does routine procedures and was not dealing with any Covid cases at all. The blood transfusions that I have 4 times a year to allow me to work and not claim benefits have been cancelled indefinitely. It makes absolutely no sense.

The Nightingale hospitals that were built during the first lockdown should be being used now so that normal NHS practice can continue even with the increase in cases with the second wave. But there’s no one to staff them and they seem to be just not mentioned anymore. The first lockdown should have been used as time to prepare for the inevitable second wave, get track and trace working, get a plan in place. But instead the government did fuck all, just tried to blame each other and get the public to blame it on people having a cup of tea with their gran in the garden. I don’t blame people for doing what they think is best at this point - the government have shown they haven’t got a clue.

I agree with you that you should have got treatment. I just don't agree that the lack of treatment was anything to do with the lockdown itself and not having a lockdown certainly wouldn't have helped. It was to do with NHS reorganisation. I hope it is managed better this time.

The NHS and the routine operations and services are is being affected by COVID for two reasons.

1. The increase in demand to treat patients who require ICU beds to cure them. These type of wards and treatment require higher staff/patient ratios.
2. Like all businesses the NHS is also suffering from higher than normal staff absences either due to them having Covid symptoms, having the virus or because a family member or friend having symptoms requires them to remain off work and quarantine.

This will affect services and is the main reason why we should take good care and responsibility for ourselves and avoid unnecessary contact with others and follow the guidelines. No point worrying about no visiting your parents at home, you won't be visiting them in hospital either if they contract the virus!

I don't know why people compare Covid with the Flu, when there is a vaccine for one and not the other. The vaccine doesn't protect against all strands of the flu, but your chances of dying from it when vaccinated is certainly much much lower than dying from Covid

Has anyone tried to get a flu vaccine? I have, and I have failed. I have had various complications from flu, so qualify for a free vaccination. Only I don't, now, as I'm not over 65. So I would pay for one. But I can't, as all the supplies are reserved for the over 65s.

I'd rather get Covid than Long Flu, thanks. But I'll presumably be condemned to yet more flu, pneumonia, vomiting daily because of coughing, blah, blah, blah - because only fucking Covid matters.

@etopp

I don't know why people compare Covid with the Flu, when there is a vaccine for one and not the other. The vaccine doesn't protect against all strands of the flu, but your chances of dying from it when vaccinated is certainly much much lower than dying from Covid

Has anyone tried to get a flu vaccine? I have, and I have failed. I have had various complications from flu, so qualify for a free vaccination. Only I don't, now, as I'm not over 65. So I would pay for one. But I can't, as all the supplies are reserved for the over 65s.

I'd rather get Covid than Long Flu, thanks. But I'll presumably be condemned to yet more flu, pneumonia, vomiting daily because of coughing, blah, blah, blah - because only fucking Covid matters.

The supplies aren't reserved for over 65's and you are eligible. It's just that they have a different vaccine to under 65s. There seems to be stock issues for both at the moment though as uptake has been much much higher than usual.

Um... I'd pay any money for a flu vaccine. But nobody where I live will give me one...

@etopp

Um... I'd pay any money for a flu vaccine. But nobody where I live will give me one...

I doesn't make any difference whether you would pay. If they are not in stock at the moment they are not in stock. Chemist or GP surgeries can't give you the vaccination if they haven't got any left. There has been very high demand this year. There will be more though to keep trying.

I was able to get the flu vaccine last week. According to the rules, I should have qualified to get it on the NHS (over 50 and suffering from long Covid) but I would have had to wait until the back end of the year. So I paid for it.

It took a lot of searching chemists online. Most didn't have any, including Boots, but in the end I got it at a Day Lewis chemist near where I live. It cost £12.

So do keep trying!