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To think these are the best sad faces ever?

291 replies

Downwithcovid · 04/10/2020 18:33

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-yorkshire-welders-jailed-2-22788063

Break the law, admit it in court, go to prison. Simple. Not sure what the sad faces and holding the photo is all about.

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Downwithcovid · 05/10/2020 09:15

@MoonJelly have you even read the thread?

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MoonJelly · 05/10/2020 09:23

Yes, @Downwithcovid. Have you even read all my responses?

slashlover · 05/10/2020 09:27

Two 18 year old boys locked up, lives ruined. An absolute scandal.

Imagine they go to Tesco, nobody else in the place is social distancing or wearing masks (the men were wearing masks but they're not 100% at stopping it). The person who serves then finishes her shift and goes home, two days later she visits her elderly mother in the care home, again no masks or social distancing then does another shift at her work. A week later there's a massive spike in cases and it spreads all round the care home and puts several elderly people in hospital.

Or she goes home and cooks dinner and baths her kids and puts them to bed. A week later there's several cases at the school, which then closes and interrupts the kids education, causes loads of families to self isolate and affects the local economy.

All because these boys men wanted some beer.

Anniegetyourgun · 05/10/2020 09:29

I don't understand what went through their heads. They were being put up in a hotel with everything laid on, and being paid plenty for a few days' work on condition that they didn't go wandering about in between. It's explained to them quite clearly that this is important and will be strictly enforced. So pretty much the first thing they decide to do on stepping foot in this other country is exactly the one thing they were told they mustn't do. And there are consequences! Who knew?

Do we really want people that stupid wandering about in times of pandemic? Sadly I suspect they're in the majority. I think a lot of it has to do with people not taking COVID seriously. If it were a gang of lads over from Nigeria bringing Ebola I doubt the papers would be quite so sorry for them. You say they didn't commit murder? Well, effectively if they're bringing a killer virus to an unprotected population that's exactly what they're doing. For a bottle of beer and a sandwich (which they didn't even need). Is it OK if they knock an old lady on the head for their lunch? Of course not. Ridiculous comparison? Yes. But it's also ridiculous to say they were "imprisoned for buying a sandwich". They were imprisoned for, I say again, potentially spreading a killer virus. Because take it seriously or not, it does kill people. And they didn't care. And for that they only got two weeks. Did you read two weeks or two years, along with failing to note the IOM is not the UK? They got two weeks. That's nothing. That's as long as I spent imprisoned in my own house for the crime of having a cough. (Which I doubt was the COVID, but my manager said let's not take a chance.) I felt fine after a couple of days but I still didn't go anywhere, because you're not supposed to. Obviously if it had been life or death I'd have done it, but it wasn't. And I wasn't even paid extra to stay in.

No, I don't get this sympathy for the twits at all. They're not even being severely punished. All this "their life is over!" hyperbole - ridiculous. That little old lady they could have given the virus to (directly or indirectly) in pursuit of their unnecessary lunch, her life would be over. Theirs just got a bit more complicated, because they didn't think before rocking off and pleasing themselves, despite being given plenty of warning. Sometimes a visit to Tesco is just that, other times it really isn't.

Downwithcovid · 05/10/2020 09:35

@MoonJelly

Yes, *@Downwithcovid*. Have you even read all my responses?
I misread your post - apologies.
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Nikhedonia · 05/10/2020 09:40

So, they were offered a few days work for high pay on the IOM, the trade off was that they needed to follow some strict rules. When they arrived they were told in no uncertain terms what they were allowed and not allowed to do whilst they were there and the consequences for not following the rules. They immediately decided to break those rules.

And people think that the IOM are unfair? Fucking hell, the mind boggles.

Iwantacookie · 05/10/2020 09:49

Reading it at first I thought how bloody stupid to be jailed for nipping to tesco but delving deeper you see they were told what the rules were for the isle of man (which until this thread I assumed was part of uk and uk law) so now I dont feel sorry for them. It would be like me walking round Dubai in a bikini kissing random men expecting not to get arrested.
They are idiots and I wouldn't be sad if it was my family. Ide be livid with them for breaking the law

Ponoka7 · 05/10/2020 10:07

The men were warned, as are other people, that custodial sentences are being used.

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You can't go somewhere knowing the law and the consequences, then break the law, then complain.

I think that we should do everything we can to keep prisons Covid clear, but I don't see how the Judge could have avoided giving the sentence that he did. It would bring Covid to the IOM over winter.

Even if they did need supplies, one of them could have went and reduced the risk. All of them going in, in a group would have been hard to socially distance from.

Chanjer · 05/10/2020 10:18

Can't understand that there's people in this thread defending what the guys did

I sympathise with the fact they have to go to prison for 2 weeks, seems pretty extreme. However when you knowingly break a law, in full knowledge of the consequences, then you take your risks and you live with the consequences

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 10:22

It’s a shame the IOM isn’t as draconian about tax dodging. It's a tax haven. They exist! Blame the tax dodgers for taking advanatge of it.

And that has nothing to do with Covid!

Belladonna12 · 05/10/2020 10:27

I have absolutely zero sympathy for them. They knew the law. They broke it knowing what could happen just so they could have the beer or a sandwich or whatever they wanted buy. People in the IOM are able to go about their daily lives without all the restrictions we have because they have prevented cases. Why should they give that up so a few numpties can have a beer? Their comments regarding "one rule for them and one for us" are so thick too considering that the laws are different in the IOM from here.

JamieLeeCurtains · 05/10/2020 10:29

Arron Banks uses or has used the Isle of Man, I recall, for a registered office.

Careful now.

MulticolourMophead · 05/10/2020 12:09

They knew they were breaking the law in going outside of their permitted areas. It doesn't matter that it happened to be Tesco. So Ihave zero sympathy for them.

They were meant to be there for just a few days at most, 2, I think. If their need for alcohol was so great they couldn't go without for such a short length of time, they need to see a doctor.

The contract would be paying them handsomely, food and accommodation provided, all they had to do was stay in their bubble to the permitted areas only. Such a no brainer, and such stupid wazzocks.

nettie434 · 05/10/2020 13:21

If their need for alcohol was so great they couldn't go without for such a short length of time, they need to see a doctor.

I think it might be even more inexcusable MulticolourMophead. Downwithcovid explained in an earlier post that they had access to 'food and drink' at the hotel. I assumed they went to Tesco to save money, not that they were unable to get beer in the hotel.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 13:26

Downwithcovid explained in an earlier post that they had access to 'food and drink' at the hotel. Yep! The hotel/s contactors are housed in provides full room service. Yes, they are on house arrest, but no, they are not kept hungry/thirsty.

Staff even ordered takeaways for DHs crew. Bought a couple of books for DH when he realised he'd finished he ones he had taken. They were very very helpful!

Nikhedonia · 05/10/2020 14:06

I assumed they went to Tesco to save money, not that they were unable to get beer in the hotel.

Yep, absolutely no sympathy whatsoever.

Pollyputthepizzaon · 05/10/2020 14:17

I'm absolutely amazed at all the people defending these men.

springrollover · 05/10/2020 14:36

@slashlover

"However what I do have is a sense of perspective and I can see when a punishment is disproportionate and serves no useful purpose. I don’t see how any balanced person could honestly think going to Tesco is an imprisonable "

As one of those workers has now tested positive for Covid let's hope they didn't transmit it to Tesco staff, hotel staff etc
Don't forget their is no social distancing or mask wearing in IOM. Life is back to normal

As an aside it's only IOM residents, key workers or those granted exemption on exceptional compassionate grounds that can travel to the Island. The borders are firmly closed. Apart from Keyworkers, EVERYONE has to isolate upon return 14 days.
The border control dept do check up on you, phone calls and unannounced door step visits.

slashlover · 05/10/2020 14:54

@springrollover Not sure why you tagged me as I was quoting a PP. I think they deserved to be punished as they put a whole island at risk.

springrollover · 05/10/2020 15:33

[quote slashlover]@springrollover Not sure why you tagged me as I was quoting a PP. I think they deserved to be punished as they put a whole island at risk.[/quote]
My sincere apologies, I didn't mean to tag you at all 😊 sorry !

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 05/10/2020 17:21

@Everywherethatmarywent

These people getting sent to prison for going shopping in Tesco.

And people think it’s funny and just.

What the fuck has happened to society?

The problem wasn’t that they went to Tesco! The problem was they BROKE THE LAW by not isolating. On the Isle of Man the penalty is imprisonment. If I went to Tesco after having a positive Covid test then the problem would not be that I went shopping it would be that I BROKE THE LAW and would deserve the penalty, which in this country would be a fine and for me personally the loss of my job....
AndNowItsHappeningInMine · 05/10/2020 17:28

What's good for the goose, IMO

The government flout their own rules at every turn, and suffer absolutely no consequences.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 17:31

Whose government? The Isle if Man is not in the UK.

Seriously!?!

Downwithcovid · 05/10/2020 17:31

@AndNowItsHappeningInMine

What's good for the goose, IMO

The government flout their own rules at every turn, and suffer absolutely no consequences.

Oh my days Confused

Don’t people read what they are commenting on ! That’s probably why these whoppers thought they could go to Tesco with a mask on. Couldn’t be arsed reading what they were given (although I am aware they did know, and were told by their supervisor, but decided to do it anyway.

Nobs

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JamieLeeCurtains · 05/10/2020 17:42

@AndNowItsHappeningInMine

What's good for the goose, IMO

The government flout their own rules at every turn, and suffer absolutely no consequences.

This goose is neither in the UK nor the EU.