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To think these are the best sad faces ever?

291 replies

Downwithcovid · 04/10/2020 18:33

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-yorkshire-welders-jailed-2-22788063

Break the law, admit it in court, go to prison. Simple. Not sure what the sad faces and holding the photo is all about.

OP posts:
MoonJelly · 05/10/2020 08:26

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

Somehow I can't see people objecting.

I bet they would. In the same way that some of the posters complaining about the draconian measures on this thread are the same people complaining about children's education being disrupted, or mental health or other health conditions not being treated and who are going to complain very vociferously when we lock down again.

I don't really think failing to educate children or treat mental health conditions is in quite the same league as stopping people from buying beer in Tesco's.
Toothsil · 05/10/2020 08:29

@RizzleDrizzle exactly, this is brilliantly put.

For anyone saying the article says they were going to buy lunch, not alcohol, every article I've read says in the headline that they went to buy lunch but then in the article says that instead of going straight to their accommodation, they went to Tesco to buy alcohol.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 08:31

It’s disgusting and especially since TWO MPs have broke the ‘rules’ too. How far do you want to take that? What other countries will you include: will it be just as disgusting because an MP in Spain did something that isn't the law here? Japan? Outer Mongolia?

IoM is not the UK. It has its own laws and any contractor going there at the moment knows ALL about them. Regardless of what the parents in that article said, those lads could have known what they could and could not do by mere dint of reading the paperwork they had to carry with them. Paperwork they were deemed to have read, because that's what it was for... pemit to work with the restrictions and penalties clearly outlined. That one person in the van was aware and told them is proof of that. They just chose to do as they wanted.

The mum weeping that he would starve in the hotel also knows better. They get fed, they even get beer, in the hotels.

Tough! Regardless of what you think about covid, tough!

MoonJelly · 05/10/2020 08:31

Two 18 year old boys locked up, lives ruined. An absolute scandal.

Two 18 year old men who knew what would happen if they broke the rules but carried right on and broke the rules. Is that really an absolute scandal?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 08:33

Two 18 year old boys locked up, lives ruined. An absolute scandal. And the other 3... ageist maybe!

slashlover · 05/10/2020 08:33

I don't really think failing to educate children or treat mental health conditions is in quite the same league as stopping people from buying beer in Tesco's.

Not even when the people buying beers could cause the failure to educate children or the failure to treat mental health conditions?

Butchyrestingface · 05/10/2020 08:40

Am struggling to see how they could have been safe enough to come across on the ferry (presumably with other passengers) and stay in a hotel but not safe enough to go to Tesco. Confused

slashlover · 05/10/2020 08:44

Am struggling to see how they could have been safe enough to come across on the ferry (presumably with other passengers) and stay in a hotel but not safe enough to go to Tesco.

The other people on the ferry would have had to self isolate when they arrived and I'm assuming the hotel (which a PP has said is specially set up for workers) has very strict measures and rules. Tesco in IOM will not have staff/customers wearing masks or social distancing etc.

picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2020 08:44

Butchy everyone else on the ferry self isolates when they arrive.
The hotel is for contractors.
There is a perfectly adequate system in place to minimise risk. Going to Tesco is not it.

BaronessEllaSaturday · 05/10/2020 08:45

@Butchyrestingface

Am struggling to see how they could have been safe enough to come across on the ferry (presumably with other passengers) and stay in a hotel but not safe enough to go to Tesco. Confused
Everybody on that ferry had to isolate, not just them and the hotel is set up for this
CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 08:45

@Butchyrestingface

Am struggling to see how they could have been safe enough to come across on the ferry (presumably with other passengers) and stay in a hotel but not safe enough to go to Tesco. Confused
Becasue the IoM s covid regs are as well thouight out as thise of anywhere else?

They social distance on the ferry, stay in their work bubble. They go straight to the hotel, then to work and back to the hotel, nowhere else. It's the same balance between covid safety and commercial necessity as everywhere else has. And they are a small island with hardly any covid cases... residents and non residents bringing it in with them from abroad, and that includes the UK, is the main threat. So they do what they can.

You can struggle with that all you like, but that doesn't change the fact that everyone going to IoM is made very aware of the rules and penalties!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 05/10/2020 08:48

Actualy I think that probably needs to be said more loudly

The hotel is set up specifically for contractors They isolate on the way over, remain in their work bubble for the entirety of their stay and isolate on the way back on the ferry. What they do when they get off the ferry in the UK is not the concern of anyone in the IoM!

Florencex · 05/10/2020 08:52

@slashlover

How you can focus on sad faces and gloss over the fact that people have been imprisoned for going to Tesco is beyond my comprehension. There is something wrong with you.

They were imprisoned for breaking the law. It doesn't matter if if they went to Tesco or went to every shop in the place, they BROKE THE LAW.

Do you believe that people should get to choose which laws they want to follow?

For everyone saying that they wore masks, masks are not 100% effective. If they were then we wouldn't have masks and social distance and all the cleaning.

@slashlover

Why would I think people get to chose what laws they follow? As a law abiding citizen I find that offensive and there is nothing I have said that suggests I think that way.

However what I do have is a sense of perspective and I can see when a punishment is disproportionate and serves no useful purpose. I don’t see how any balanced person could honestly think going to Tesco is an imprisonable offence.

OP seems to be relishing in others misery and it is very distatesfeul.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 05/10/2020 08:53

It’s a shame the IOM isn’t as draconian about tax dodging. Hmm Just think of all that money they help siphon off from the NHS and services who would help COVID sufferers per the years. Still, five builders walk into a Tesco and BAM, locked up for 2 weeks.

JamieLeeCurtains · 05/10/2020 08:55

@Butchyrestingface

Am struggling to see how they could have been safe enough to come across on the ferry (presumably with other passengers) and stay in a hotel but not safe enough to go to Tesco. Confused
You're assuming the Isle of Man's borders are open. They're not apparently.

From the ferry website:

The Isle of Man Government will permit Isle of Man residents to travel off-Island and return, providing that they strictly follow travel and self-isolation rules. The Isle of Man’s borders will remain closed to non-Island residents until further notice.

www.steam-packet.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpL75gfyc7AIVSYBQBh3-_gjyEAAYASAAEgJvVfD_BwE

Itsabeautifuldayheyhey · 05/10/2020 08:57

When in Rome......

These people knew the rules. They decided to ignore them. They deserve their punishment.

Well done to the people of the IOM for complying with your laws and rules. I only wish people of the UK would do the same and not find reasons why the rules don't apply to them.

halcyondays · 05/10/2020 08:57

@slashlover

They potentially introduced a dangerous virus to an island where it had been eradicated, and where the hospital would be quickly overwhelmed if it spread.

Imagine if Boris came on the TV and said there were no cases in the UK. Schools could open properly, the NHS could carry out routine appointments, no masks were needed, shops and leisure open as normal, weddings/funerals/partys as normal, you could go and visit your gran with the whole family etc. However, anyone entering the country would have to quarantine or go to jail.

Somehow I can't see people objecting.

I’d be absolutely delighted if this happened.
slashlover · 05/10/2020 09:01

However what I do have is a sense of perspective and I can see when a punishment is disproportionate and serves no useful purpose. I don’t see how any balanced person could honestly think going to Tesco is an imprisonable offence.

IT WAS NOT FOR GOING TO TESCO, IT WAS FOR POTENTIALLY BRINGING A DANGEROUS VIRUS TO A PLACE IT HAD BEEN ERADICATED.

By going to Tesco, they could have transmitted the virus to people who then unknowingly went on to visit their elderly parents or visit their gran in a care home or visit their friend who had just recovered from cancer and was high risk.

Everyone on here complains about their children's lack of education or the poor uni students having to isolate or routine NHS appointments or the toll on mental health or not being able to visit their parent a care home for 6 months. There men could have reintroduced these measure back into a place where everything was back to normal. FFS.

sashh · 05/10/2020 09:02

Who benefits from jailing these men?

The IOM.

Everyone on this thread now knows the rules, the IOM posters obviously knew before. I bet any and every contractor heading for the IOM now knows to go straight to their accommodation.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 05/10/2020 09:03

I don't really think failing to educate children or treat mental health conditions is in quite the same league as stopping people from buying beer in Tesco's.

I'm not equating those things as being in the same league. What I'm saying is that some of the people complaining about those things being an issue in the UK are also complaining about the measures that lead to those things not being an issue in the IOM. And that is basically quarantine and isolation rules that are strictly enforced, even for minor breaches & consequences that should act as a deterrent.

JamieLeeCurtains · 05/10/2020 09:05

In fact the more I think about it, the more it seems blindingly obvious that those visiting workers would have had to make some very detailed arrangements with the workers' hotel, the company they were doing the work for, and the ferry company - all Manx companies, I believe.

They must have known the rules, and that the laws were particular to the Isle of Man.

This really wasn't a coach trip to the Isle of Dogs.

MoonJelly · 05/10/2020 09:08

However what I do have is a sense of perspective and I can see when a punishment is disproportionate and serves no useful purpose

Surely it serves a very useful purpose indeed if it educates people that they mean what they say about Covid precautions, keeps the virus off the island, and enables people there to live relatively normal lives?

WitchesNStuff · 05/10/2020 09:08

I am just baffled that anyone thinks what happened to them was wrong. They purposely broke the law that they were fully aware of and had been warned about.

How would you feel if it was the UK in the same position as the IoM and someone from outside the UK had done this, potentially putting many peoples lives at risk and ruining the economy.

MoonJelly · 05/10/2020 09:10

@slashlover

I don't really think failing to educate children or treat mental health conditions is in quite the same league as stopping people from buying beer in Tesco's.

Not even when the people buying beers could cause the failure to educate children or the failure to treat mental health conditions?

You misunderstand me. My point is that there is a reasonable case for objecting to precautions that mean children don't get educated or that people with serious conditions don't get treated. There is no reasonable case for objecting to being prevented from buying beer in a supermarket.
chrislilleyswig · 05/10/2020 09:15

@lojoko

Definitely no worries about me ever going to IOM. Probably get a life sentence for going the wrong way through the rope queue off the ferry.

Two 18 year old boys locked up, lives ruined. An absolute scandal.

What do you think would Have been an appropriate sentence for breaking quarantine laws? At any age?
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