To think these are the best sad faces ever?

[Downwithcovid]

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/five-yorkshire-welders-jailed-2-22788063

Break the law, admit it in court, go to prison. Simple. Not sure what the sad faces and holding the photo is all about.

Two 18 year old boys locked up, lives ruined. An absolute scandal.

Lives ruined???? 18 year old "boys"???? Don't be so bloody dramatic. They deserve everything they got.

Yeah, you are pretty screwed if you start out in your first job with a criminal record and custodial sentence.

They were isolated in the prison according to this.

NEWS RELEASE
05 October 2020

Visiting suspended at Isle of Man Prison.

Visiting at the Isle of Man Prison has been temporarily suspended, following a self-isolating prisoner testing positive for COVID-19 yesterday.

All new entrants to the prison are housed in a separate wing for 14 days before joining the wider prison population. The individual has been kept in self-isolation since their arrest. The Government’s contact tracing team has confirmed that the risk to the wider community from this case is extremely low.

Minister for Home Affairs, Graham Cregeen MHK, said: “We have planned and are fully prepared for cases of COVID-19 at the Isle of Man Prison and have robust and rigorous protocols in place to protect prisoners, staff and visitors. Suspending visiting to the prison is just a precaution to reduce the already minimal risk that the virus could spread.

“Prison officers assigned to newly arrived inmates in self-isolation are required to wear full PPE, maintain a safe distance, and practice scrupulous hand-washing. Free tests for COVID-19 are available to frontline workers, including prison officers.”
Contact tracing has already begun to identify people who the affected individual may have come into contact with.

@lojoko

Yeah, you are pretty screwed if you start out in your first job with a criminal record and custodial sentence.

There are two options

1. People shouldn't break the law when they do their first job

2. We have provisions in the law about if this is your first job the laws don't apply.

I know which I prefer.

@TitianaTitsling

But they were wearing the masks weren't they? That's what identified them. Is what we are getting told in UK mainland that the wearing of masks works, so they would have been OK?

I'm amazed at the entitlement of people who can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that places outside the UK have their own laws, and UK law doesn't supercede this.

The best thing about the story is it manages to combine not only an amazing sad face story, but an 'I don't know the difference between what's in the UK and what isn't story'. And I'm not totally sure from that article that the journalist understands the difference either.

So the sad face family (families) need to be self-isolating back in the UK?

But covid is endemic. Like swine flu. Its here and not going away.

It may be in the UK, but we are talking about the IOM.

@marcopront

They were isolated in the prison according to this.

NEWS RELEASE
05 October 2020

Visiting suspended at Isle of Man Prison.

Visiting at the Isle of Man Prison has been temporarily suspended, following a self-isolating prisoner testing positive for COVID-19 yesterday.

All new entrants to the prison are housed in a separate wing for 14 days before joining the wider prison population. The individual has been kept in self-isolation since their arrest. The Government’s contact tracing team has confirmed that the risk to the wider community from this case is extremely low.

Minister for Home Affairs, Graham Cregeen MHK, said: “We have planned and are fully prepared for cases of COVID-19 at the Isle of Man Prison and have robust and rigorous protocols in place to protect prisoners, staff and visitors. Suspending visiting to the prison is just a precaution to reduce the already minimal risk that the virus could spread.

“Prison officers assigned to newly arrived inmates in self-isolation are required to wear full PPE, maintain a safe distance, and practice scrupulous hand-washing. Free tests for COVID-19 are available to frontline workers, including prison officers.”
Contact tracing has already begun to identify people who the affected individual may have come into contact with.

Selfish goons.

Wonder if the family and everyone else defending them will now realise the potential harm their selfish actions have caused.

We have theatres full of people, pubs and restaurants full of people with no social distancing. Our kids are learning in exactly the same way they have for years etc and these nobs were prepared to risk that for an entire island just to buy some beer.

I'm quite enjoying reading the posts from British people furious about this. It's like watching an immigration debate from the other side of the fence.

I understand your point of view, as an English person. I'm just embarrassed by this kind of shitty behaviour.

The whataboutery regarding the appalling behaviour of our politicians and the "we subsidise you" arguments are just shameful.

The arrogance of some posts here highlights why some countries have a very negative view of British, specifically English, people.

I can't believe that on a site where there is thread after thread about the inconvenient restrictions we're living with that people think it's OK to put a community at risk of similar after they have taken measures which now allow people to live life normally. It's just selfish.

If it's true one of the men tested positive then I sincerely hope it doesn't lead to community spread on the IoM.

Yeah, you are pretty screwed if you start out in your first job with a criminal record and custodial sentence.

And whose fault is that?

A prison sentence (these got off lightly) is a real and effective deterrent that stops people breaking the law.

Apparently not in this case 😂

They potentially introduced a dangerous virus to an island where it had been eradicated, and where the hospital would be quickly overwhelmed if it spread.

Imagine if Boris came on the TV and said there were no cases in the UK. Schools could open properly, the NHS could carry out routine appointments, no masks were needed, shops and leisure open as normal, weddings/funerals/partys as normal, you could go and visit your gran with the whole family etc. However, anyone entering the country would have to quarantine or go to jail.

Somehow I can't see people objecting.

/me shrugs

I disagree. I don't see the benefit of doing that to some young lads' lives. But I definitely know not to go to IoM, so that's useful info. (I wouldn't go to Dubai either, as mentioned up thread.)

It seems like there's a petty thrill of revenge going on here. Some kind of 'getting one over' on the English, who are conceptualised as some kind of Clive of India, blithely treading the Manx beneath their bootheel. Well, I don't think two 18 year old welders are quite the impressive opponent you imagine; their overthrow is not a spendid victory.

I feel badly for them, is all I'm saying. It's a big price to pay and will affect them forever.

Does the IOM currently pay more to skilled workers coming from the mainland to carry out work they don't have the human resources to carry out themselves so rely on importing the skills? I hope so, otherwise why would anyone from the UK put up with the strict rules when they could earn the same money on the mainland and not be restricted? I assume the only attraction of working in the IOM is a higher wage?

Somehow I can't see people objecting.

I bet they would. In the same way that some of the posters complaining about the draconian measures on this thread are the same people complaining about children's education being disrupted, or mental health or other health conditions not being treated and who are going to complain very vociferously when we lock down again.

Those commenting that this law is disproportionate, are you forgetting that these workers agreed to the Isle's laws, and these ones specifically, before they committed the crime?

They knew exactly what they were doing - they just thought they were above the law.

It seems like there's a petty thrill of revenge going on here.

Revenge for what? The rules apply to everyone visiting the IoM which includes residents returning to the island and visitors wherever they are from. It's not a rule which applies just to English visitors.

Unfortunately for these men they thought that minimal enforcement of UK Covid restrictions meant that the IoM laws were also optional and found out, to their cost, that the IoM says what it means and means what it says.

It seems like there's a petty thrill of revenge going on here. Some kind of 'getting one over' on the English, who are conceptualised as some kind of Clive of India, blithely treading the Manx beneath their bootheel. Well, I don't think two 18 year old welders are quite the impressive opponent you imagine; their overthrow is not a spendid victory.

Here's previous stories of people being jailed for the same thing, ALL of them live on the IOM.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54327947
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54266517
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54108844

Also, here's the IOM holding a Food and Drink festival last month which 16000 people attended. Because they can.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-isle-of-man-54238500

I am dumbfounded at the numbers of people here who think these idiots have been wrongly treated. The island was Covid-free and people had normal, unrestricted lives (remember that?). Now that's gone because these arrogant prats couldn't follow a very simple , well advertised rule.

Their government, their laws; it had worked well up till now. When you see Boris's shitshow of handling Covid I can't see why anyone in Britain would criticise another government's.

I know the IOM has its own Laws. Therefore you can’t really compare them. Morally speaking, however would have found it so great had.Dominic Cummings, Stanley Johnson and Margaret Ferrier were jailed for
2 weeks for breaking Covid Laws, or Do you have a different set of rules for Toffs.

Isle of Man well tough! DH and his work crew went a while ago and the additional paperwork required, list of island restrictions is not a secret. They tell you plainly that they are very serious about their covid regs.

Hotels are set up for work crews, have been for a while. As Downwithcovid says, a premium is paid for the work done and they all know they will be effectively locked into their hotel room when not on site, travelling to and from it.

If you think it is ridiculous you have a choice, don't go to IoM!

I'm English/Welsh.

Those men were being paid over the odds for a couple of days work.
All they had to do was follow the terms of the agreement they'd signed.

Instead they chose to break them and so had a week where their liberty was restricted in a very modern prison.

That seems fair enough to me. When you take into account the risks of what they did introducing an illness into the wider community, risking shutting the island down again as well as risking lives of people who were there, then it seems a pretty mild punishment to me.

THEY WERE NOT IMPRISONED FOR BUYING SANDWICHES OR GOING TO TESCO!

I can't believe the apologists on here would be quite as supportive if we were happily Covid free, getting on with life as usual, schools, theatres, cinemas all open as usual, and some selfish pea brain risked it all for no good reason.

I felt sympathy for them until I got to the bit which said their supervisor had warned them not to. I feel even less sympathy for them since reading this thread. If they even had to sign something to say they understood the rules then there is no excuse.

*Parkandride was right upthread to point out that this demonstrates the problems when citizens of one country visit another and assume they will be treated the same way if they break the law as they would in their own country.

Downwithcovid has explained that the men definitely knew they should not have gone into a shop. In this sense, they are no different to the England footballers who met two girls in Iceland even though they had been told they have been exempted from Iceland's quarantine rules provided they stayed in their England football bubble. They have been fined but the fine is tiny as a proportion of what they earn each week.

The Isle of Man, Guernsey, Iceland and New Zealand have all imposed very strict quarantine rules. This has helped them virtually eliminate covid. It's up to their citizens to decide if they support what their governments have done but I assume that economically and socially most will decide that the pros outweigh the cons.

I suspect that the results of the vote here might have been different in a 'serious' coronavirus post rather than an AIBU one about the families' reactions.