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To think grandparents need to step up

652 replies

mypetEufy · 21/09/2020 11:10

A friend of mine is a single mum. She struggled to work from home whilst parenting her active nearly 2 year old DD when her nursery was closed. She lives below the breadline, and is reliant on food banks.

During lockdown she often didn't get any kind of break from her DD for weeks on end. A few friends helped now and then, but she has still been run ragged, to the point of her hair falling out.

The thing is, her parents live 20 minutes drive away, they all get on fine, they have some health issues but nothing to stop them helping in one way or another if they really wanted to. They are retired, active and not struggling with money. Friend has been super careful with the virus so her parents are not worried about her passing it on. Both parties are eligible to form a support bubble, if I understand it correctly.

Another friend has recently had a baby, she's a competent professional but struggling with a colicky baby, and interrupted sleep. She had a very difficult labour and is still uncomfortable.

She has has some health conditions which she managed in part, before her daughter was born, by eating a clean diet. She now eats pizza from ASDA most nights. She gets on fine with her parents; mentions what a good cook and baker her mum is. The parents live in the area.

My issue is that I can't fathom how some of my friends' parents aren't helping them when they clearly need some support. The parents are fully aware of the scope of the problems in both these situations. There are numerous other examples I know of in real life and on mn where parents have struggled and their parents have been cheerfully indifferent.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying grandparents need to provide childcare when their children are at work, or do anything to increase their risk of catching the virus if they uncomfortable (these are grandparents who are happily going to the garden centre, meeting up with friends for lunch, going on holiday and to people's houses).

In both cases the grandparents are enthusiastic grandparents, are keen to be sent photos of their grandchild, enjoy buying presents, and repost those "share if you love being a granny!" posts on fb.

Am I being unreasonable in thinking some grandparents really need to step it up?

I dont want to cause any division and I know a lot of grandparents are amazing, but it's difficult to see my friends struggle. I'm asking here as I've heard mn has a bit of a 'grandparents have no obligation to do anything outlook', and was wondering if there comes a point where grandparents really ought to help?

OP posts:
malificent7 · 24/09/2020 20:42

Iam greatly looking foward to being a hands on nan. I can't imagine not wanting to look after grandchildren...but then I love children and I know not everone is the same.
When I am retired, having gc over once a week overnight is not a big ask when i will have 6 nights off a week.

PablosHoney · 24/09/2020 20:46

I’m looking forward to helping them through first time parent nerves if they need/want it as that is priceless.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 20:47

@Yesterdayforgotten wishing you you all the best for the future. xx

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 20:49

Just when you think its safe to post... @PablosHoney shows up!

PablosHoney · 24/09/2020 20:53

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KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 20:54

@formerbabe it was distressing for me but i coped. But we had no choice or support.

My eldest is fine , i am fine, Dad was fine and baby is 14 now and fine. We are all fine.

blueberrymuffin88 · 24/09/2020 21:01

I agree op. There's no way I could stand idly, by living it up whilst my daughter struggled to find time to make healthy dinners, have time to herself or even afford food at all. I cannot understand people like that. It's so cold.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 21:01

@PablosHoney isn’t that your son I hear calling you?

Please explain? My sons are both here in their bedrooms ! Which of my sons is calling me?

PablosHoney · 24/09/2020 21:03

Read back over your own posts 🙄 night.

Zyzxyz · 24/09/2020 21:03

What happened to just respect people where they're at and appreciate people for who they are. Just horrified by some of the responses about grandparents not doing this or that. Why can 't you appreciate your parents, grandparents regardless of what they do or don't do for you.

coronafiona · 24/09/2020 21:03

I agree. I had no help and it's made me resolve to never ever be like that with my kids.

PablosHoney · 24/09/2020 21:04

@blueberrymuffin88, I guess some people are acting on the example their parents gave them. I couldn’t do it either.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 21:19

@PablosHoney what do you mean?
My posts are my dad is dead, and my mum has mental health issues and walked into the canal in Northwood Hertfordshire ,having attended midnight mass 4 xmases ago.
My exDH has 2 elderly parents when we met, Father is now dead and MIL
mum is 86. ?

What part of i have no GP support have i mislead ? If you feel i have lied in this thread pls advise and i will happy to substantiate.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 21:23

@PablosHoney Read back over your own posts 🙄 night.

Can you please specify what it is i have said that you disagree with?? I would like the opportunity to-substantiate what i have said.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 21:42

@PablosHoney your post has been deleted. 😂😂😂

DianaT1969 · 24/09/2020 21:47

OP of course it would be nice if they offered. I didn't understand your point about your friend eating pizza, but your friend struggling with one child and no childcare during lockdown is hard. However, if her parents are like mine, they brought up 4 children in a home with no washing machine, dishwasher, microwave or hoover. No online shopping or supermarket deliveries. My parents lived in an apartment on the 4th floor. 4 children under 8 to get out of the house to school each day. No school clubs or wrap around care.
My dad worked in an insecure job for weekly wages. My mum worked in a hospital part-time as soon as my youngest sibling went to school.
Many of that generation will have a different view of struggling.

KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 21:59

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KatherineofTarragon · 24/09/2020 22:17

Now my post deleted. 😂

choli · 24/09/2020 22:34

Of course dad's should step up but they are the main bread winners and are out all day.
Some dads are one or both of those things. Some are neither.

Zyzxyz · 25/09/2020 04:57

Just disturbed by poster stating that her dad never bothers to have any food in the fridge when she visits. Not sure if she realizes that preferences change as you age. I find myself wanting only 1/2 a head cabbage because I know I could barely finish 1/2 or sweet things that were never appealing before miraculously find their way into my food basket. When you're older, everything hurts, plates and saucepans are too heavy so anything that easy and convenient takes precedence. Also older men from a past generation don't cook if they had a wife to do it for them. So it's not surprising to me that her father has little to eat in the fridge. I just feel that judging grandparents and parents for what they do or don't do is the wrong approach. There are reasons why people are the way they are. It's not for anyone to judge that.

Yesterdayforgotten · 25/09/2020 09:57

@Zyzxyz DF in 60's so not particularly elderly? Fit and healthy and has a big appetite. He drives and lives next door to a large supermarket and knows we are coming and wont get in so much as a 20p packet of biscuits. His appetite find again as he will eat big lunch at mine and cakes and request them saying how hungry he is. I agree not to judge anybody for how they live only how they behave.

Yesterdayforgotten · 25/09/2020 09:58

fine*

greeneyedlulu · 25/09/2020 10:16

I'm with you on this, my parents would do and did do everything they could to help me and I would do the same for my 2 when they are older. Families are just different though and what is our "normal" isnt theirs and it's odd to us.

mypetEufy · 25/09/2020 10:30

@DianaT1969 Many of that generation will have a different view of struggling

I don't doubt that your parents worked hard.

I don't think you can compare the kinds of struggle my friends face to the struggles of a previous generation though.

A colicky baby wouldn't have been a problem for your parents in the way it might be for a modern parent. My neighbours who are in their 80s would park the parm outside the house and let their fussy infants 'air their lungs', others put them in their cots and left them to it, one even had the midwife give her tranquilizers for the baby.

Once the babies were toddlers they invariably found themselves in a pen. One story that sticks in my mind is one where the mum went to hang out washing and came back in to find her toddler sticking his fingers in the plug socket. The obvious solution was to give him a real hiding so he'd learn to leave power sockets alone.

The real problem my friends face is the amount of emotional labour they have to perform. Before you could choose to some extent if you wanted to attend to your kids emotions, and the dominant culture seemed to against giving the feelings of babies and children primacy. They could leave their babies and toddlers to their own devices there wouldn't be an issue. I didn't sleep train my kids, but I've heard of neighbours calling SS on people who chose that path. Parents literally don't have a choice over if they want to parent intensively or not these days: they have to do all the house, work, read to their kid, do wholesome activities to train their fine motor coordination plus about 101 other things to bring them on and enrich them intellectually.

If we lived by the old rules the friend with the baby would draw up a nice feeding schedule, park the cot in another room, put her earplugs in, and wake refreshed in the morning, ready to cook, bake, clean and make the home cosy whilst DD did her own thing in her pram on the porch. She'd be ready to meet her husband at the door with a nice ribbon in her hair, freshly applied lipstick and a cooked meal on the table, rather than in pjs with red eyes.

My friend with the nearly two year old would have had her well trained by this age and the DD would be doing her own thing in her pen somewhere whilst the mother sat at her laptop and worked. Who knows, she might even be able to work full time and the poverty problem would self resolve.

Most parents would need little to no help from anyone, or any labour saving appliances, if their small children were out from under their feet and they didn't constantly have to worry about being cried at.

That said can't have been easy with the insecure job for weekly wages or four kids in a 4th floor flat. Absolute respect to them for doing what they did, but we can't compare it to what is expected of parents today.

Full on tangent, I know, but I just had to put that out there Smile

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Yesterdayforgotten · 25/09/2020 10:40

OP lots of people have playpens today for their babies. If I didnt have one for dc2 he would be off crawling on hard floors or getting into scrapes when I'm taking dc2 to the toilet etc... needs must

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