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AIBU to say that DS shouldn’t go to his bio-father’s funeral if he doesn’t want to

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RibenaCocktail · 15/09/2020 13:09

I’ve name changed for this, as I’m giving a lot of personal info, and don’t want to identify my usual MN name, but just wanted some opinions on a dilemma.

DS (17)‘s biological father died suddenly last week.

DS does not have a relationship with him, and sees his step-dad (my DH) completely as his father. I met DH when DS was 2, he has always known DH as his father, as he calls him Dad and DH refers to him as his son always. However it is obvious that DS is not his biological son, because DS is mixed race.

As I said before, DS didn’t have a relationship with his bio-dad. he has seen him only a handful of times, and he can’t remember these times. Bio-dad has been in and out of prison and has been involved with stuff that I have not wanted DS to be around but DS doesn’t even know all of this information - he just knows that his bio-dad (who he calls ‘the sperm donor’ if he ever has to refer to him) wanted nothing to do with him and therefore he has has no feelings for him.

Over DS’s life however, I have kept in very occasional contact with his Aunt. I wouldn’t call her my ‘friend’ but she was the only one in the family who saw her brother for what he was when I was in an abusive relationship with him, and supported me to leave him. She has continued to send birthday cards and money for DS and asks after him. The grandmother has also sent cards and money and asked after him, but the grandmother was always very defensive of her son and often justified his behaviours so I was less inclined to keep a relationship with her. The aunt and grandmother saw DS about 4 years ago, and usually arrange to see him if they are coming down south every couple years or so. (I live the other end of the country now). It was through the Aunt that we heard about the news about DS’s father.

When we told DS the news, Last week he was very hostile and said he didn’t care, he was glad to hear it, he hopes he burns in hell etc and he was acting like he didn’t care. But the past week he has been awful in his attitude and temper, flying off at his younger siblings for little things, being very disrespectful to me and DH, which makes me think he does really care and he is processing it - i suppose he is also processing feelings of rejection as well but he refuses to talk about it.

Yesterday the Aunt messaged me giving me the details of the funeral and said that they would like to have DS there as he was Ex’s only child. I politely declined and expressed that I didn’t think he would be up to it as he is not in a good way emotionally, and he did not have a relationship with his father, it doesn’t seem right for him to attend the funeral. I also have concerns with Covid etc but I didn’t mention these to her. She was really persistent so I said I would ask DS if he wanted to go but I didn’t think he would. Well, I made the mistake of asking DS, and he completely lost it and reacted exactly like I thought he would.
I went back to the aunt and said again, he doesn’t want to. She then was accusing me of making the past get in the way of moving forward and was saying that as his mum I should not be asking him, but telling him and not giving him the choice. She was guilt tripping me saying that his grandmother has taken her son’s death really hard and it would mean so much to her and the whole family (note: I have heard nothing from any other family members) to have DS there. She said that it will only be a small thing (30) and it will give DS a chance to see his other family members and be part of his black Caribbean culture which apparently I am denying him of. She said that it is only respectful that he attends the funeral of his father. She is saying that I should make him go because he will never get this opportunity again and he may regret it and that how he feels now is just his emotions and shouldn’t stop him from doing the right thing. Then she was saying that it was never the family that hurt me and DS, so it wasn’t right that I was denying them the chance to see him and for him to know his family.

I get that she is grieving, but I am just so upset that she is pinning so much responsibility on DS - he is only 17 for gods sake - and expecting me to force him to go when he has clearly said he doesn’t want to.

DH doesn’t think that that we will be able to force him but this morning he said that he has been thinking about it, and he thinks we should ask DS another time because the aunt made a good point about he may regret it in the future if he doesn’t go and that it’s our responsibility as his parents to help him. Then DH was saying that he also needs to ‘go and meet his black side’ of the family, and I was so angry because all this family have never wanted to meet DS apart from the aunt and the grandmother and his own father couldn’t even remember his sons birthday.

I just feel that DS has made his feelings clear and should have the right to be listened to but now it seems that everyone thinks IABU.

Sorry this is so long, grateful if you managed to get all the way through it!

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Enko · 15/09/2020 13:14

I cant vote as I can see both sides. Any chance ds school has a counsellor who can support him?

DoubleDolphin · 15/09/2020 13:15

You arent being unreasonable, I would keep him away from it all. They havent shown any inclination to meet him and if they want to in future they can ask. It's a lot to put on a 17 year old. A funeral for someone who rejected him and meet all his family on the same day. As a parent, I would say no.

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 13:17

There’s no way that I’d make my child go to the funeral, under those circumstances. He’s old enough to decide for himself and if he changes his mind, he’ll let you know. I can only imagine the nonsense they’ll put him through, if he goes. It’ll be al “you’re daddy loved you...he felt so sad that you never saw him...poor dad going to his grave never seeing you...bla bla...guilt trip” You’re child doesn’t need that. He’s probably very confused and may actually be shocked at feeling some grief for the father that that man could have been, rather than the one he was.

ACupOfTeaSolvesEverything · 15/09/2020 13:18

He’s given you his opinion very clearly. Believe him and support his decision.

WeirdCatLady · 15/09/2020 13:20

None of them have made any great effort to be a part of your sons life so why on earth should he have to do anything for them?!

It would be a hard No from me.

msbevvy · 15/09/2020 13:21

How on earth do they think you can get a 17 year old to go there against his will?

boredboredboredboredbored · 15/09/2020 13:23

I have a dd 17 and would absolutely leave the decision to her. If he says no then he means it. I agree with counselling though, it may surface many feelings your Ds didn't even know he had.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 15/09/2020 13:23

I would support him to make a decision and I would protect him from the opinions/pressure of others who may not respect his decision.

You're absolutely right about him processing so many emotions/feelings, and it's probably not a temporary situation. If outside help and support is available, it's probably worth looking at.

FelicityPike · 15/09/2020 13:24

You are absolutely right. You asked him & he said no. It’s his choice.

noctu · 15/09/2020 13:25

I would simply revisit the conversation in a few days time and gently lay it out for DS - that he may regret it if he doesn't go, and it's your job as a parent to give him your advice and information about it. Then leave it 100% up to him to decide and do not attempt to sway him either way.

He doesn't, and shouldn't, have to go to the funeral to have a relationship with his biological father's family. That can happen at a later date, if both your DS and the family want it. The funeral isn't the be-all and end-all of a relationship with them and shouldn't be positioned that way by anybody.

I know this is really tough, I am the child in a similar situation. Good luck

UnfinishedSymphon · 15/09/2020 13:26

It's his decision, if he doesn't want to go then he doesn't want to go, he's not close to that side of the family anyway and that's through no fault of his. Support his decision, do not try and change it

GaraMedouar · 15/09/2020 13:26

Exactly as Acupoftea said - but I don’t know how to quote - no he shouldn’t go , up to him and you are right supporting him.

Embracelife · 15/09/2020 13:27

Will it be recorded on weblink? Most ard these covid days
He can watch it at his leisure for 28 days in his own time.
He does not need to attend.
But viewing it might give closure.

Ffsffsffsffsffs · 15/09/2020 13:28

Blimey, what a mess.

I think you should do as suggested and find a quiet time to ask ds if he wants to go - you understand he's got completely mixed emotions and you'll absolutely support him either way.

Then you have to step up (as you have done, and dh too, all his life) to mop him up and put him back together again, whatever he chooses. His reaction towards you is actually very understandable - and he's lashed out at home because he knows, albeit unconsciously, that you love him and he feels safe to let it all out with you.

His sister and her mum can take a running jump. It is NOT ds responsibility to go to the funeral. It is NOT your job to force ds to go. Her brother, and by extension his whole family, chose not to be involved in your ds life, and it is not up to ds to build any bridges, especially whilst everyone is grieving.

I would keep lines of communication open however - ds may very well benefit from meeting and being involved with his bio family, especially as they have a shared cultural background.

Will ds be due any inheritance as the only child? Don't let the family hold that over him/use it as a bribe.

You and ds are in for a bumpy ride op, hold onto him as he's got a hell of a lot going on x

TeaAndHobnob · 15/09/2020 13:28

I feel for your DS, he must be confused and conflicted.

You are right not to put any pressure on him, it is his decision and he said no. And they have had 17 years to make an effort with him and other than his aunt and grandma they haven't bothered. Meeting the family at his own dad's funeral is such a heartless thing to ask of him! So cruel, it's all about them and not what works best for him, he's only a kid.

OhCaptain · 15/09/2020 13:30

The only thing I would consider would be if DS brings it up of his own volition, letting him change his mind.

But I wouldn’t raise it again and I certainly wouldn’t be making him go or anything like it.

The poor kid - I can only imagine how conflicted he’s feeling.

Sunnydaysstillhere · 15/09/2020 13:33

I would be worried he may be guilt tripped into becoming a replacement for his df in the family's eyes.
At 17 you can't tell him what to do. That in itself would have me blocking the lot of them..

tattychicken · 15/09/2020 13:35

I would tell him I respect his decision not to go, that the funeral is eg next Wednesday and if he changed his mind between now and then to let me know and I would take him.

TipseyTorvey · 15/09/2020 13:35

As the result of a father who completely ignored me my whole life I completely understand your ds's perspective and would react the same aged 17 or 70 quite frankly. Why should he go there to be paraded as the loving son of a man who couldn't be bothered with him to make him look good to the rest of the family for one day. No doubt he'd never see any of them again anyway. If he wants to find out about black culture there are many other ways to do that.

RibenaCocktail · 15/09/2020 13:35

Thank you for the comments, it feels good know I am not BU because I was doubting myself.

For those that have mentioned counseling, yes, I am thinking this too, but I don’t think he would agree to go and don’t know how we would persuaded him to have counselling either- he is just flat out refusing to talk about it. Over the weekend he threw a bowl at his sister because she was “annoying him”- it took my DD and my DS completely by surprise like some flame of anger just erupted from him when he would have previously just argued back with her. I tried to chat with him about how his actions was completely out of order, and said, to him I know you have a lot going on with (bio-dads name) Passing away”, and he flew off at me for mentioning the name so clearly he needs some help. I really don’t think a funeral will help him though.

He goes to college, and they have a counselling service there but I don’t know How to broach the subject with him.

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giantangryrooster · 15/09/2020 13:36

is just his emotions and shouldn’t stop him from doing the right thing.

Well, they and his bio-dad haven't been much for doing the right thing for your ds.

But just his emotions! They are very valid and not just. They want him to ignore how he feels (sperm donor) to make them feel like a normal loving family. Heck no, your poor ds.

Apart from that the way you describe how your ds reacts and refers to bio-dad, he seems to be more affected with the let down from a non-present dad than you think. Instead of poking and asking again, find appropriate councelling for him as the rejection seems to be hurting him a lot.

BewilderedDoughnut · 15/09/2020 13:37

He's 17, he's made his decision, end of conversation.

If anyone has a problem with it I'd cut them out until they can learn to respect him and his decisions.

VinylDetective · 15/09/2020 13:40

If your husband has a different view, maybe he should communicate that to him directly? It might be that part of the reason he doesn’t want to go is because he feels he would be disloyal to his step dad. I think your husband has a point. He sounds more objective and reasonable than you.

I found it quite telling that you refused the invitation on his behalf without even asking him and describe doing so as a mistake.

RibenaCocktail · 15/09/2020 13:44

@Embracelife the last I heard was that They were trying to sort out a web link - so that’s a good idea, thanks if there is the web link I will offer that to him. The family are still adamant that he should be there in person though.

@Ffsffsffsffsffs
inhavent event thought about inheritance to be honest.

Thank you for the comments, I am getting through them, really useful

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SoupDragon · 15/09/2020 13:44

His reactions are not those of someone who doesn't care. I agree that he probably need to talk these feelings through with someone as it must be very confusing for him.

I don't think you should make him go to the funeral though - I don't think it will help. Maybe arrange to go somewhere quiet on the day? I would keep communications open with the family though as he may want to explore that side when he is older.