‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

[quote Plentyofshit]@LouiseNW I’m not sure how anyone could read your post and think ‘fuck the rules’. For me, I would rather put my life on hold to save people like your family member. I can go without a few months of socialising and get togethers - and find other ways to do this.[/quote]
I won't (as my parents are in an area with increased rules) but expecting me and my family to not be able to visit my older parents is not just about missing out on a bit of socialising. So yes fk the rules that expect me to do that.

I am missing out on time with my family, I'm not sure this is a proportional request.

@TheGreatWave because this is not about your personal agenda, it’s about stopping the spread of infection. My circumstances are the same - I want to see my elderly mother, but I want to protect her and protect others. If the rules don’t apply to you, then the rules don’t apply to everyone. And everyone will have their reason for breaking the rules. The virus spreads, if another lockdown occurs - you won’t be able to see any members of the family.

I currently can see my elderly mother in a managed way. Not with my whole family, but we can visit. It’s not ideal but far better than a lockdown because people don’t think the guidelines should apply to their personal circumstances. She will probably be diagnosed with cancer on Friday. Where will that leave her?

100 odd years ago, people made a huge sacrifice to save our country for future generations. What the hell has happened to us?

100 odd years ago, people made a huge sacrifice to save our country for future generations. What the hell has happened to us?

Hundred odd years ago was rabid imperilium between royalty, it wasn't to save future, they didn't care about that.

So your point was?

The collective anxiety, the sacrifice, the national cohesion and a united front for the sake of us all. However much we hate the government, we need to work together - not just for our own personal agenda. Surely that’s what will save us. @HeresMe. What’s your point?

@plentyofshit It was you mentioned the first world war, which was nothing to do with working together, just lots of troops sent to deaths for someone's agenda. At least if you are going to invoke something admit it.

And I don't imagine everyone was onboard this is something people seem to think about everything.

I can work as a childminder and have 5 children plus my ds and myself but if ge asks 5 mates back we are breaking the law. These friends could all be un tge same bubble however my minded children are in different school bubbles

@Starlightstarbright1

I can work as a childminder and have 5 children plus my ds and myself but if ge asks 5 mates back we are breaking the law. These friends could all be un tge same bubble however my minded children are in different school bubbles

Well stop childminding if you disagree with the rules?

Oh wait.............

I am just pointing out how stupid the rules are..
I don't plan to break the rules. I can have an opinion of how ridiculous rules are without breaking them

@heresme I didn’t mention a specific war. I was referring more to civil responsibility.

@Plentyofshit I didn’t mention a specific war. I was referring more to civil responsibility

Except you posted about hundred years ago so you implied the first world war.

You think farmers thought civic responsibility when there crops and animals taken off them back then

It's sort of crap people post other country's don't complain when they regularly do.

@HeresMe. What?? I’m not talking about the specifics of a particular war? I’m talking about the collective responsibility that people had to make a sacrifice - whether it was in their personal best interests or not. You may need a grammar lesson on their/there btw.

You mentioned 100 years ago stop pretending you didn't and gaslighting me.

People have problems with every war, oh and losing a arguement start on grammar rather than answer the point which you haven't .

There has never been this collective you speak of its non existant.

I know I mentioned a 100 years ago, there was more than one war around that time. I was referring to attitude, not the ‘in’s and out’s’/negative agenda of a specific war. I certainly think people would have pulled together more 100 years ago. Today I see a great deal of selfishness, entitlement and people prioritising their personal agenda.

@Plentyofshit

Since then people didn't pull together it's you think it was better than it was stop romatising it all.

People have become more individualistic and narcissistic over the past few decades, at the expense of working collaboratively. I don’t think anyone would deny this. We consume and destroy at an alarming rate. It’s not a romantic notion.

@Plentyofshit it's happened over more than last few decades it's been shit for a long time but for people to notice during Corona is old news.

I think the shit has always been there, but greed, selfishness has increased more than ever over the past few decades - as represented here.

Plentyofshit

Thank you. I wince as I type that though, simply because I find myself in a position where I have to. Never imagined I would feel so grateful towards strangers.

It’s awful having to rely on other people. By that I mean, them being forced to live in a different way, because of people like us. Not a nice feeling knowing you’re a killjoy, albeit extremely unwillingly,
My husband feels horrible about it, we’ve always been self-reliant.
The lockdown was a massive ask of many. We really can’t go there again. I don’t often agree with our Esteemed Leader but in this he is - gritted teeth - correct. It would be complete disaster this time round.
Just feel that if people can limit themselves socially for a few more months, this will be over much more quickly for everyone. The Oxford vaccine is incredibly promising (urge everyone to listen to Sarah Gilbert’s Life Scientific on iSounds Radio 4. Hard headed, data and results driven people like her aren’t given to iced-egging). We will all be through this with limited loss of valuable lives if we can all be restrained for, in the grand scheme, what us just a little while longer.
Our son is 17, I really DO understand. Until part time return to College 10 days ago (where they already have multiple positive tests, thankfully not in his classes) he hadn’t seen another soul of his age since the first week of March. He’s asthmatic but he did it mostly for his dad. I’d never imagined I could live him any more than I did. Though that’s probably still true but I can definitely add admiration to the list.
Our daughter and son in law are 26, we can’t see our 8 week old first grandchild until this is over. My mum and dad are 82 and 74 respectively, they live 280 miles away (Yeo, tot not, but yes the one with the bypass and hip replacement . My frail 87 year old MIL is 440 miles away, with the rest of my husband’s family. I really, really do understand. We haven’t seen any of them since February. My best friend of 35 years’ mum has just died and I can’t hug her.
It boils down to greater good, in the end. Surely, most of us can do that for each other, can’t we?

Iced-egging? Sounds interesting.
Over-egging!

Love, not live!
Of, FGS 🙄

Oh, not if.
Aaaarrrgggghhh. I bloody give up. Shoot me now.

Yeo, tot not, but yes the one with the bypass and hip replacement

Which should read, yes, toy boy, but he’s the one... etc.

I’m going to go and have gin.