‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

@loulouljh

A national lockdown won't happen again. The economy will fail (and people will just not submit to it). If that fails so does the NHS. The Government, as they have throughout, are trying to operate through fear. It has jut worn too thin now. The pattern is always the same. Introduce a restriction. Say more will follow if people don't follow the arbitrary rules. Then release selective data intended to induce fear. and so on and so forth.

You have no idea, I may, it might, it maybe likely or unlikely but no one can say for definite either way.

I think this government have lost all moral authority after the Cummings incident and saying they will break international law on an agreement they negotiated, signed and fought an election on.

@EDSGFC you are exactly right. @buffyp - I will say this again. Many, many families are in desperate circumstances. If you just view this as personal risk to your family, this situation will not improve and your personal family health will continue to deteriorate - especially if we face another lockdown. We follow the guidelines to stop the spread of infection. The fact that many people have chosen not to do this, is why we are facing a further rise in cases now.

KenDodd

I think this government have lost all moral authority after the Cummings incident and saying they will break international law on an agreement they negotiated, signed and fought an election on.“

Indeed it has. We don’t have to follow their appalling example though.

Didn't Cummings go for herd immunity and then back tracked when it went to shit?
I may be 10 miles out on that.

Seen on twitter people saying test centres are closing? Is this true

I could go all tinfoil hat with this but it feels like the gov has gone for survival of the fittest and a bit Darwin . Natural selection. Yes tinfoil hat sorry

Another soft lockdown is never an impossibility as it depends on our collective behaviour, civic duty let alone Covid secure measures to better protect our own bubble. We will probably continue to have regional and localised lockdowns. But of course not a hard lockdown as implemented overseas. Here Boris and co optimistically suggests and implies one to use common sense and reasonable measures as practicable. This naturally does not include the serial Covidiots who continue to blatantly oppose pandemic emergency criminal laws with their mass gathering parties (no SD nor PPE of course!) etc etc. We are seeing more and more people getting in to mask required settings (mass shared public transport and retail etc) masked covering mouth and nose and then preferring chin protection instead oddly? Let's try to go for eradication as there will never be a medical cure otherwise this and possibly next Christmas will be "cancelled" let alone lives and livelihoods lost as economic collapse continues with Brexshit default (as you "all wanted") WTO deal pending too! The severity of the Covid outcomes all therefore depends on you, us and everyone to do our bit! It's not particularly intellectually challenging to track as we discover more daily about this disease.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia seen a lot of 'chin breathers' recently. Didn't know the human species had evolved so much in a shorter time

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

“ ...... We are seeing more and more people getting in to mask required settings (mass shared public transport and retail etc) masked covering mouth and nose and then preferring chin protection instead oddly?...”

After the luxury of a few weeks of choosing our own veg again, it’s back to online shopping here. What I’ve now decided was the last supermarket expedition yesterday was alarming. Good exercise, as I leapt about all over the place trying to get out of the way of people seemingly determined to get as close to me as they could. sadly, I don’t think it’s my magnetic personality, rather at least in some cases sheer bloody pigheadedness. The worst two, men in their late 30s with the chin protectors, seemed almost to be enjoying themselves, openly smirking as other shoppers scuttled out of their way. Made them feel all-powerful, possibly?

It’s not as though we haven’t all been through this once already. The trajectory if more people don’t check their behaviour is entirely predictable. Why do some people just fail/refuse to see that?

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Many seem to have completely forgotten Brexit. It’s really going to hit the fan on 1st Jan.

@LouiseNW

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Many seem to have completely forgotten Brexit. It’s really going to hit the fan on 1st Jan.

Exactly because of very likely Brexit impacted cost of living increases (eg look at UK Pound Sterling valuation post Brexit referendum result) and supply chain issues we need to best cope trying to beat and survive Covid and Brexit damage. We don't produce all we need in the UK so need to help ourselves beat Covid and fight or adjust to Brexit negative impacts. Two very hard hitting challenges for us Brits. And then the UK may change too if things do not work out in Scotland and Ireland. Surely some Brits (Covidiots) don't have Covid fatigue already!?

I abide by most laws, not all.

But I'm not sticking to "only 2 households indoors". had something booked since August that involves 6 households indoors but only 1 person from each.

@KenDodd. - Tend to agree with you. I had such hope when Boris got in, after dithering May and useless "call me Dave". Now I am disappointed but don't think I could do better, BUT I am not the PM. He could not have known about the Chinese virus but I thought the government had contingency plans for pandemics? As many have said they are making it up as they go along. Anymore lockdowns and the UK will be bankrupt so the dreadful masks must remain together with handsan etc. We must all be careful but I think the hospitality has suffered most and I feel for those employed there and the owners. Not forgetting other small businesses - it is a terrible time for everyone.

Over the long term Brexit is likely to cause more economic damage than Covid and yet millions of people want it and voted for it:
blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/08/26/a-no-deal-brexit-may-still-be-more-costly-than-covid-19/

mobile.twitter.com/samueltombs/status/1302971297572564992

Nobody wants or voted for the virus.

Sure no one directly wanted and knowingly "voted" for the Covid but arguably if Covidiots continue to super spread (otherwise why the new wave?) they are kind of putting their money where there mouth is on continuous "voting" for Covid. I tend to appreciate the specialist scientific advice on best practice pandemic protocol more and so not relying on political leaders as they obviously rightly need to balance Covid risk to lives and livelihoods as we all do. Though I take a more scientific precautionary approach than the more risky political approach.

@CoffeeandCroissant - we have caused this virus to happen. Humans are the culprits. We are also responsible for Brexit.

en.unesco.org/courier/news-views-online/pandemics-humans-are-culprits

There you go - get’s all at least try to save lives, livelihoods and Christmas as it's hands, face, space and trace!:

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-britain-only-has-a-few-days-to-avoid-second-national-lockdown-professor-warns-12070680

Coronavirus: UK faces second hard national lockdown if we don't follow COVID-19 rules, adviser warns

Professor Peter Openshaw says the UK is on the edge of losing control of the virus.

Sunday 13 September 2020 13:25, UK

I wish I could split Britain into two islands. One where wealth, overspending, extravagance, luxury, money, mansions, alcohol, partying, cars, rules are not important.

And another where rules are followed, people have food/shelter/warmth/decent education/healthcare and not much more.

I have no faith in the government so it's a Fuck It from me.

REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS

I have no faith in the government so it's a Fuck It from me.“

Very weird logic. The Govt. is useless so I’m going to be equally flaky.

@LouiseNW well if we're talking about weird logic I should be fully behind the shit show of a government

@loulouljh

A national lockdown won't happen again. The economy will fail (and people will just not submit to it). If that fails so does the NHS. The Government, as they have throughout, are trying to operate through fear. It has jut worn too thin now. The pattern is always the same. Introduce a restriction. Say more will follow if people don't follow the arbitrary rules. Then release selective data intended to induce fear. and so on and so forth.

A national lockdown will happen again, if its necessary and looking highly likely as the days go by. The NHS will not cope if we let this rip through with no barriers, the economy will not cope with a virus that will have a detrimental effect on the workforce (long covid anyone??) businesses will close down and not survive If the numbers of consumers or clients drop significantly. We have to slow the spread, better treatments and promising vaccines are on the horizon. Why are people not willing to accept that its not all about me me me now now now

@Votesforpedro

Nonsense- the hospitals are empty and deaths are actually declining despite the rise in cases for the last 7 weeks.

Lockdowns are not cost free- they have enormous impact on people’s jobs, health and the economy at large. Not wanting lockdown is not a case of being selfish.

I would really advise you watch this video from Dr John Campbell- he takes you through the latest figures without the scaremongering.

REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS

@LouiseNW well if we're talking about weird logic I should be fully behind the shit show of a government”

Rise above our Govt., REDLIPSTICKANDNAILS
Sod the Govt. absolutely agree, complete shit show. But you’re better than that. Put your mask on, keep your distance, protect your fellow citizen. You are absolutely correct, we can’t rely on the Govt., which is precisely why we need to rely upon each other and all do the right thing.

[quote Ecosse]@Votesforpedro

Nonsense- the hospitals are empty and deaths are actually declining despite the rise in cases for the last 7 weeks.

Lockdowns are not cost free- they have enormous impact on people’s jobs, health and the economy at large. Not wanting lockdown is not a case of being selfish.

I would really advise you watch this video from Dr John Campbell- he takes you through the latest figures without the scaremongering. [/quote]
Hospitals being empty now along with rising cases is a reflection of the positive cases being made up of younger people who are less likely to be hospitalised. Unless the shielding advice is reintroduced or stricter lockdown measures implemented then hospital admissions and deaths will go up, perhaps not up to the numbers from earlier in the year but they will go up. I personally don't want anither lockdown and I'd love for this whole pandemic to just dissappear but its not going anywhere anytime soon and the more people bury their heads in the sand the stricter the lockdowns will become.

@BritWifeinUSA its not about it being safe if at a church wtc its about limiting how much contact you have
Work and school are also necessary i mean we all want to be able ti buy food , have electric , have an nhs etc and children need an education
But of my kids are in bubbles of 30 everyday and then i have a party at home every day with 10 others then there exposure is more
Also supposedly the spread is from private gatherings ( although i havent seen figures that prove this just what is being said )