‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

@Votesforpedro

Cases have been rising since July 7th. On July 7th, there were 206 hospital admissions and 2397 in hospital.

Today there are 141 hospital admissions and 884 in hospital.

As the video I linked points out, rising cases are also not being followed by increased hospital admissions and deaths in Spain or Germany. Part of this is due to the age of those catching it, but it is also due to better treatments and a multitude of other factors.

@Plentyofshit

I cried yesterday after reading this discussion. I went to the shops and saw a very frail elderly gentleman, smartly dressed and wearing his face mask. He was carefully adhering to distancing rules. And then I thought about some of the utterly selfish and self centred comments on here.

And last night my pizza was delivered into my hands by a frail elderly man who wasn't wearing a mask or following the usual contact less delivery the shop does usually. Is he committing suicide?

@KinkyFink Maybe it was the same guy, and he just thought ‘why f##king bother’ after witnessing the stupidity of others in his trip to the shops.
Can I urge everyone to watch ‘Extinction’ by David Attenborough?

@ecosse That’s an interesting video - thank you! But no way is he saying ‘fuck Covid rules’. I read an article stating that children who get Chickenpox often initially get a low dose from outdoor transmission in the playground. Their sibling tends to get a higher dose as the subsequent virus transmission typically happens indoors. Transmission may currently be low dose between younger people, but what’s going to happen when we head indoors over the winter?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mn4n

We shouldn't have any more restrictions unless hospital admissions and deaths start to rise exponentially as they did in the spring. Loads of cases but very few with complications should see this disease being tackled like seasonal flu or pneumonia.

Can I urge everyone to watch ‘Extinction’ by David Attenborough?

Fuck no. Life is depressing enough at the moment without being lectured about killing the planet as well.

It’s essential viewing - everyone needs to watch it.

We all need the biggest fucking lecture going.

Plus I find Attenborough's big budget, sensationalist, melodramatic, lowest common denominator approach to wildlife and nature programmes unappealing. There are far better and more intelligent programmes available such as Wild Ireland: The Edge of the World.

Yes I do think the government cronies have been giving woolly, confusing public health advice. And boris/Cummings/Hancock are not credible.

But the virus doesn’t care who says what, who is prime minister, or who is for or anti mask, or fed up and giving up with any ‘rules’. The virus will transmit exponentially where it can.

So whatever we think about specific new rules, we have to continue to defend our vulnerable fellow humans. I will anyway. Most of us will.

S’ok - I’ll stick to David. I like his precautionary approach. Rather than people musing that’s its best to do nothing to control a pandemic (until death rates start rising in hospitals) when it’s clearly too late. Ridiculous.

We aren't "doing nothing to control the pandemic" though. Have you been asleep for the last six months? The government should be remediating the shoddy testing system they have put in place instead of carrying out media campaigns to blame young people, Muslims and Mancunians, among others for non-compliance or people not having the right symptoms for a test for a disease which is often symptomless. They should be opening up the NHS for treatment of the myriad other serious and debiltating illnesses and conditions that people are suffering from and unable to get treatment because everything is shut due to Covid.

@Graciebobcat you stated “we shouldn’t have any more restrictions until death rates start to rise”. I was referring to the stupidity of this comment. Also - I cannot believe you would want to deter anyone from watching the most important documentary I’ve ever seen. Watch it and then comment.

The government should be remediating the shoddy testing system they have put in place I think it is being worked on? instead of carrying out media campaigns to blame young people, Muslims and Mancunians, among others for non-compliance or people not having the right symptoms for a test for a disease which is often symptomless. if these subgroups of our society are where we are seeing the most cases SURELY looking for greater care is sensible? They should be opening up the NHS for treatment of the myriad other serious and debiltating illnesses and conditions that people are suffering from and unable to get treatment because everything is shut due to Covid. this is happening.

I think people are fed up of being frightened and being asked to change their lives to change outcomes and of not knowing how long it will be.

To be honest, if the legislation was issued by anyone else but the current UK government, I would follow it irrespective of whether I thought it made sense or was based on science. However, when we have a government that is blatantly breaking international treaties, is incapable of putting in place a test, track and trace system that is fit for purpose and has been so inconsistent and vague in its communications that people have to go on social media sites to work out what the 'rules' mean, I have no faith in the legislation nor in the government's power to uphold it.

I’m bored of popularity contest politics.

Reduce contact with other people or experience a surge in cases and deaths.

Kids are back in school, 6 people rule attempts to balance that increase.

If it doesn’t work we will have to do more.

How much you like Boris and the revolting Cummings is irrelevant.

I’m bored of popularity contest politics.

Absolutely this , if I want a comedian I’ll watch one, if I want a performer I’ll watch BGT .

What I want now is competence, capability, attention to detail , ability to take all the information and synchronise a coherent response which is for the good of the population. I see no evidence of any of these and to be honest it’s starting to frighten me

Where's Theresa May when you need her ? May have had her faults (understatement) but no one could fault her attention to detail and ability to plod on regardless of the challenges.

@BritWifeinUSA

Poor comparisons. Wearing a seatbelt or being sober when driving are known to dramatically improve your chances (and others) of arriving safely at your destination. And there are no shades of grey. You either are drunk or you’re not. You’re either belted up or you’re not.

I’m not in the UK but it seems the new rule of 6 doesn’t apply if you’re working, at a funeral, etc. It’s absolutely ridiculous to think you are “safe” at work or in a church in groups of more than 6 but not in your own home. Either the virus is dangerous or it isn’t. That would be like saying “you have to wear a seat belt unless you’re in a red car because red cars don’t crash”. Or “you can’t drink and drive unless it’s a Monday”. It’s just as random. The whole thing is a test of control. It’s worked with you.

While I think some of the exceptions are silly (I can go to a pub with 5 friends but not see my family made up of fewer households but more people), you're being facetious to suggest that in having the exceptions the gov us in some way saying covid is more or less dangerous in those settings. They arent. Its that they recognise some things need to continue and are allowing those as a balance of risk.

Oh @newnumumatlast you are completely right. Why, why WHY do people not get this?

Where's Theresa May when you need her ? May have had her faults (understatement) but no one could fault her attention to detail and ability to plod on regardless of the challenges.

I'm sure I read somewhere that her government ignored the advice from a study which showed the UK wasn't prepared for a pandemic in 2016

@Bluesheep8 And if she’d heeded the advice back in 2006, spent our taxes on PPE - we’d have accused her of being a nut-job. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

So what happens if you have 8 kids?

Also the PPE would be out of date.