‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

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To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

I would say it's specific to COVID because not wearing a seat belt or drink driving is actually dangerous!

You can donate two of them to charity @Sue20. It’s going to be like Sophie’s Choice.

@sue20

So what happens if you have 8 kids?

think yourself lucky you have a family unit with children having their siblings to socialise with ? I have a huge amount of sympathy for those people who have struggled as single people locking alone through out all of this. I don't get what the big deal around the 6 person rule is, if you want to see granny and gramps just see them on separate days alternating which family member goes. Simple

I have 5 children. We go out I. Smaller groups. To the person saying at least they have siblings to play with, this is true but it is very hard to find a peaceful moment with people in every room all the time. I would imagine one would make homeschooling easier too, and working from home. All set ups have pros and cons.

It’s Covid specific. Many rules are ridiculous and don’t make sense. The particular one getting my goat at the moment is wearing a mask to but not in a gym/pool. Obviously I can’t spread the deadly virus (so deadly that I don’t know have it) while swimming or working out, but am massively infectious for the 30 seconds it takes me to walk in and out the building. Just so stupid.
Then you think you know the rules, they change, and change again. Being on the border with Wales, there’s some rules there that aren’t the same as England so it one rule for one and something else depending on a few minutes drive.
Finally we see the government make the rules, then do what they please. Why shouldn’t the rest of us?

The problem is we have a government that changes its mind by the day, contradicts itself constantly, and only follows the rules themselves when it suits them.
If we had a "grown up" running the country maybe people would take more notice.
I am social distancing, wearing a mask and being sensible.

Today 15:47 sue20

So what happens if you have 8 kids?

You enjoy each other’s plentiful company for a few months.

@TinyTornado

It’s Covid specific. Many rules are ridiculous and don’t make sense. The particular one getting my goat at the moment is wearing a mask to but not in a gym/pool. Obviously I can’t spread the deadly virus (so deadly that I don’t know have it) while swimming or working out, but am massively infectious for the 30 seconds it takes me to walk in and out the building. Just so stupid. Then you think you know the rules, they change, and change again. Being on the border with Wales, there’s some rules there that aren’t the same as England so it one rule for one and something else depending on a few minutes drive. Finally we see the government make the rules, then do what they please. Why shouldn’t the rest of us?

Totally agree with this

The government has just, through tonight"s House of Commons vote, effectively announced that breaking the law is absolutely fine. I struggle to understand how they propose to enforce the rule of 6 or indeed any other law in light of that.

Agree with most here.

Luckily, my household is one of 4. Seeing my parents makes 6. So no 'rule breaking' as such.

But, honestly, the rules are daft and have been for a long time. I gave birth in May. I had an ELCS so I went into hospital alone and waited for my slot. My partner then joined me for the surgery and 2 hour recovery. During this time, we were both in close contact with countless midwives, surgeons, consultants, etc. However, he then had to go home and couldn't visit me again due to Covid? Even though he'd already been around staff and had been there about 4 hours in total? What difference would it have made for him to be able to stay until normal visiting hours ended? I totally understood not having visitors, but your birth partner who was already on the ward is just silly to exclude after x hours have passed.

Similarly, during lockdown he worked in close contact with the general public. Literally seeing hundreds of new people every day. But I couldn't go and see my mum and have a bit of help during my recovery and looking after two under two.

It just doesn't make sense. It's no wonder people are fed up and breaking the rules. All these family exclusions do is create more MH problems and leave families with members with SN, etc, abandoned.

@LouiseNW

Today 15:47 sue20

So what happens if you have 8 kids?

You enjoy each other’s plentiful company for a few months.

You can see other people - just not as a family group.

Not me, but ‘we’ voted for for this government - ‘we’ voted for Brexit. We have created this shitstorm. We now have to pull together and follow the guidelines, however much we think they don’t make sense or upset our personal circumstances. We can vote better at a different date. I believe what the government are trying to do is a trade off between keeping businesses afloat, schools open while reducing the spread of infection. It is the most unprecedented and difficult situation for all - and the best way to get through this if we work together as a country.

EDSGFC

You can see other people - just not as a family group.”

Thanks. That had occurred to me too but I thought I’d better not say so in case I’d misunderstood 😁
Do families with 8 children always do everything together anyway? (if the kids are older, obviously).

Anyone with the attitude of 'fk the covid rules' is a moron. I have a family member who lost their life to Covid19. A close relative spent lockdown alone with only phone calls, and I have seen my mother once since last Christmas, while she goes through a cancer diagnosis, major surgery and treatment. I have homeschooled my kids just like most people, and I have an older child who's A levels and now university plans are all over the place because of how Covid has affected everything.
People just need to do as they are told. Yes the government acted badly, but that doesn't mean that we should disregard our own common sense.

@Plentyofshit

Not me, but ‘we’ voted for for this government - ‘we’ voted for Brexit. We have created this shitstorm. We now have to pull together and follow the guidelines, however much we think they don’t make sense or upset our personal circumstances. We can vote better at a different date. I believe what the government are trying to do is a trade off between keeping businesses afloat, schools open while reducing the spread of infection. It is the most unprecedented and difficult situation for all - and the best way to get through this if we work together as a country.

People voted for a proven liar.

His morality has been there for everyone to see for a very long time.

Yet still people thought hs was fit and proper to lead this nation.

You really think people will step up now?

Ps I will follow the rules because i believe I have a responsibility to those around me and not just me myself and I.

Yes the government acted badly, but that doesn't mean that we should disregard our own common sense

Your common sense isn’t the same as everyone elses

( and yes i am following the guidelines )

www.rt.com/op-ed/500732-covid-stasi-britain-restrictions/

A discussion point Ironically from RT (of all online media outlets) as I like to get a broad overview of diversity and ideological inclusiveness.

Covid Stasi: Will you become an agent of the state and report breaches of the Covid rules by your neighbours?

Chris Sweeney is an author and columnist who has written for newspapers such as The Times, Daily Express, The Sun and Daily Record, along with several international-selling magazines. Follow him on Twitter @Writes_Sweeney

15 Sep, 2020 10:09

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

I don't drink at all if I am driving.

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Never parked illegally, always wear a seatbelt.

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I don't litter, and I recycle .

I will however be meeting up with my extended family of 9 people (3 different households). We will meet outside in a private garden and socially distance between households by at least 2m, as we have been doing since March. The fact that we can meet up legally in a pub beer garden, but not our back garden is a ducking joke.

alright you can't legally meet up in the pub garden of there is 9 of you, not in England.

In Scotland its 2 households so again against the law.

I don't know the specifics for Wales or NI.

...when I say have been doing since March, I mean we were socially distancing and staying outside to see each other since before lockdown started. We didn't meet up over lockdown.

@Timeforanotherusername

By meet up, I mean be in the same place and talk across tables rather than sat on same table. There are 50 odd tables at our local beer garden, spaced out, we have met up a few times there; on a separate table for each household. There's no law against that. That's why it's bonkers.

Morfin

You’re banging your head against a wall, I’m afraid.
If posters or their loved ones aren’t compromised (or are blissfully unaware of their vulnerabilities, as was the supremely fit champion rower and marathon runner interviewed on a Radio 4 programme last weekend, who is still ill 5 months later) they simply do not, or will not, understand.

We’re in the North West. I’ll be ok, I think (hope) but have vulnerable loved ones, one so dear to me I can’t put it into words, extremely so. He’ll most likely die if he contracts Covid and no, he’s not very old or in a care home. He’s an extremely intelligent, pretty selfless person who has forgone a gobsmacking private sector salary to utilise his expertise to do his bit in the public sector, where he ensures and safeguards the livelihoods and pensions of hundreds of thousands of workers because that’s just the way he’s made, one of the good guys (bitter, missing the former 6 figure salary, moi? utter bastard 😂)

We are increasingly worried. It’s feeling like late February all over again here.

@alrighttreacle. The back garden/pub garden point. Pubs are businesses and need to be kept afloat, so the trade off is not in your back garden so the pub can stay in business. Also the pub will have guidelines, track and trace (hopefully...) Although you are sensible, many are not. And this rule can’t make exceptions - because so many think ‘fuck the guidelines’.

@LouiseNW I’m not sure how anyone could read your post and think ‘fuck the rules’. For me, I would rather put my life on hold to save people like your family member. I can go without a few months of socialising and get togethers - and find other ways to do this.