‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

Just been into a petrol station
3 people with no masks
Young, buying wine and crisps
Somehow I don’t think all 3 have an exemption.
Many people give no shits.

@ekidmxcl

That's been a trend recently so hence the UK R rate issues and also some people conversely being more concerned. So much so that I see the majority rule abiding UK citizens being forced to adapt their shopping habits to account for unmasked and most likely piss takers with no invisible or visible illness/disabilities etc. Tend to be a varied mix of Covidiots but alarmingly seemingly many university/college students who should know better (as why get educated!) but they seem from my personal experience recently to be both partying hard with no Covid care whatsoever. No PPE and no SD and don't give a crap. I hope they don't hug their grandma etc! As I noted and reported here before - some half pissed students thinking it is funny to crowd a small grocery store and pull up their tops (smirking) while buying more drinks unmasked! Shop keepers welcoming the sale of more alcohol and pretending to check fake age ID cards. Funny how people like to fake things! Even in a potentially life and death situation.

Just to point this out. Those called Covid Marshalls have no enforcement power. None. None at all.

All they do is cost your local counsel money they could spend on other stuff like potholes being filled etc.

@syskywalker

Just to point this out. Those called Covid Marshalls have no enforcement power. None. None at all.

All they do is cost your local counsel money they could spend on other stuff like potholes being filled etc.

And no funding, nothing from central government. My council was running on a deficit before covid, it's completely fucked now, they can't afford social care let alone covid marshalls.

Oh and in Birmingham it’s full lockdown for visiting others but you can still go to work on public transport and school indiscriminately. All shops and Pubs and e restaurants are also still open and no restrictions on those. Makes no sense.

sky it does make sense. Try and reduce infections (many which occur when people mix in private households) but keep the economy ticking over and keep kids in school for their education and well being.

No it’s illogical! Why can’t I meet the exact same people at home for an hour, I was just in the office with for 9hours?! My kids are exposed to over 100 people every day at school, but you say it makes any difference at all not going to the in-laws?!

@Plentyofshit,
my gran is 95 yrs and dr say she got about 18m to live everyday she suffers from her illness quite badly to the point she tells me she wants to die and is extremely frail and has no Quilty of life . if she gets covid 19 drs won't treat and save her live as she dying from something else and they certainly won't waste clogging up a bed let alone a ventilator for someone that going to die in 18m and wishes to die at home .
Her view is its fuss about nothing as old age is a diease with in itself she lived her live , got her education etc , she wants the younger generation to do the same . they should not suffer to save her who is beyond saving .
she is more scared of dying alone with her illness and by herself then dying of covid 19 and she just wants a hug by loved ones and to be told its okay .
she feels concerned that she don't have long enough to live this through to feel an other human touch her and comfort her and have her whole family around her when she dies .
I cry everyday cos I can't hug her or able make those last memories with her the way I planed to do to have the death she deserves .
my mum friend died of cancer during early lockdown , my mum last memory of her friend was talking very briefly on the phone to her , not stroking her hand and saying goodbye or going to the service to pay her respects like you normally do .
I am sorry but the'' new normal'' is f**king cruel to elderly people/dying and love ones , the reality is that man you saw would never be able to hug his family again or have his whole family around him when he dies of something else the way government dragging this out . The government never cared about the elderly much and sees them to much of burden on the NHS unless they become statistic of covid 19 then they do care.

The government has very much failed keeping covid 19 out of care homes AND that they use but yet shifts the blame of the younger generation for relaxing to much when they failed to provide tests and PPE in care homes in the first place .
there is a lot young people who stuck to the rules and there is small majority that did not to tarnish them with same brush is not fair given how much covid 19 turn their world upside down .
Problem with this virus is how its been handle and portrayed by the government that been the issue right from the start and that why people are suffering today . Its always be the public fault when the government messing things up or shift the blame lower end of society because that is how it works .
But this time its the younger generation that carry fourth the scars of this for years and cleaning up this mess long after my gran and the elderly man you saw have died, when we are old and frail ourselves .

But for someone like my gran being isolate from family is doing her more harm then good and is just making her suffering worse but I guess the government won't see that side of things for old people like my gran.
There is going to be more people dying of cancer now then covid due to treatments being stoped in hospitals during lockdown, how is that right?

@grifffendor I’m afraid I will have to emphasis this again. This is not about personal risk it’s about stopping the spread of infection. For all the people don’t follow rules because of personal reasons, how many more do they then infect? If your Gran catches the illness from a person who hasn’t followed the rules to the doctor who then treats her, is that right? I’m visiting my mother who is awaiting a cancer diagnosis. We sat on the beach discussing just this. As we left the beach a family were sitting on the steps. They refused to move, just shifted slightly. Mum with her walking stick, me with a baby had to brush past them. I would imagine that family also feel their personal risk is low, so there is no need to move.

I’ve taken the decision not to prioritise my personal mental health over the mental/physical health of the nation. I would love to hug my mum, I would love to see my friends, and take my daughter on play dates and socialise normally. If I catch the virus, I will probably be ok, I’m low risk- but how about the others I unwittingly spread it to? It’s taking out a few months of my life, one Christmas, one holiday - but if it saves one person’s life, then I will do it.

I deliberately haven't read the replies. I sincerely hope that most people are doing everything they can to stop this thing getting out of control again. Questions of personal freedoms can be sorted by the lawyers at a later date.

@syskywalker

Just to point this out. Those called Covid Marshalls have no enforcement power. None. None at all.

All they do is cost your local counsel money they could spend on other stuff like potholes being filled etc.

Actually they won’t cost your Council anything; there’s no funding available and they’re volunteers.

I think the other thing that angers me about this is that the gov promised no more blanket lockdown and it will be targeted measures instead. In my area the rate is 4 per 100,000 cases. The average area had 18. Should my local authority be penalised because of what's going on 100s of miles away?

Well the point is moot really as the government has said it’s ok to break international law, so giving people the perfect opportunity to ignore this new rule of 6. They could even you the government’s lawbreaking example to contest a fine.

Oh and in Birmingham it’s full lockdown for visiting others but you can still go to work on public transport and school indiscriminately. All shops and Pubs and e restaurants are also still open and no restrictions on those. Makes no sense.

The so called local lockdowns are pointless. What on earth purpose do they serve?? I live in an area which was subject to a local lockdown. As the pp said, shops, pus and restaurants remained open, plus the main part I think is ridiculous is that people were still allowed to travel out of the area. So we weren't allowed to visit another household but could freely spread the virus to another area. Where i could go from shop to shop and pub to pub, but not visit my parents. Absolutely bonkers.

pubs not pus!!

griffendor

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So sorry, it must be incredibly hard

Plenty, you can emphasise as much as you like but griffendor is entitled to her opinion. Also good for you if you can manage your mental health adequately but you have absolutely no right to tell someone else suffering badly mentally to just do the same as you. Mental health is just as important as physical health but attitudes like yours are exam why suicide rates have gone up. My daughter has mental health issues and is struggling and I make no apologies for prioritising that. I have already lost one child to cancer whose anniversary is coming up and so I will do whatever is necessary to help her. We are adhering to the rules but I am so fed up of people’s poor attitude and understanding of mental health.

Sorry for what your going for griffendor

I honestly cannot believe the amount of fuss that some are making about the 6 person rule.

I've said it many times on many threads, but there's still LOTS that we can do. It could be a whole lot worse.

@buffyp I do understand that people’s mental health is suffering, but it’s NOT a reason to break guidelines. As I said, my mother is awaiting a cancer diagnosis - her mental health is suffering - but I will continue to follow the guidelines as I believe this will protect her, and protect others. She is sticking to guidelines very carefully despite her immense anxiety.

Just been on sky news that we could be going into another national lockdown (how I understood it) if people don't behave.
Happy to be corrected.
We got told back in March to behave. People didn't.
We then got told by the gov that we had all been naughty and were grounded.
Unless people start to obey the rules to some extent we will be locked down again. But there will be riots.
It's proving that regional lockdowns aren't working due to facts other posters have stated about the areas they live in.
I don't know what the answer is.
I worry about people's mental health. My friend who works in a mh unit has never known it like it before. People really poorly.
I work in a small hospital and we had 146 deaths. Doesn't sound a lot but for us it was. Staff are anxious . One member died by suicide.
I don't particularly want to go through it again. On any level. Our covid ward has now reopened after being closed for a month. That's all it took.
I never want to do an end of life face time again. I never want to be wearing full ppe with the patient gasping for breath while alone , scared , holding their hand while they struggled and died. It has mentality and physically effected so many people. Also job looses.
Sorry needed to let it out.

buffyp

What about the mental health of the vulnerable and the extremely clinically vulnerable - the people having to live every day with the very real fear that they could catch this, get sicker than most people, or die? That their life saving treatment for other diseases might need to stop if Covid runs out of control again? That they've only just come out of isolation, far, far stricter than lockdown, and face being recalled into nigh on solitary confinement again? Why doesn't their mental health matter? Why are so many people arguing for the right to be allowed to spread a disease that can kill? Since when was that a human right?

labellesusage

That was on Marr too, from The Telegraph and how I understood it as well. Govt. spokesperson suggesting a nationwide lockdown was an increasing possibility if guidance isn’t followed and infection rates continue to increase at the current rate.

The people who are desperate to open the economy up - for undeniably very good reason, we really can’t afford another full shutdown - and decry the guidance are ironically those who may well force the issue again.

A national lockdown won't happen again. The economy will fail (and people will just not submit to it). If that fails so does the NHS. The Government, as they have throughout, are trying to operate through fear. It has jut worn too thin now. The pattern is always the same. Introduce a restriction. Say more will follow if people don't follow the arbitrary rules. Then release selective data intended to induce fear. and so on and so forth.