‘Fuck the Covid rules.’ Really?

[Yellownotblue]

To all the posters (there have been many) saying they don’t plan to abide by the new rule of 6 - is your attitude specific to Covid, or do you generally don’t care about acting illegally?

For instance would you drink and drive ‘because you have a good reason’?

Or park illegally or drive without a seatbelt?

Would you drop litter on the streets?

I’m genuinely confused by the admission that so many posters see law-abidance as a “nice to have”, rather than some basic standard of life and morality in a society.

[Mintjulia]

Since plenty of people drop litter, drink and drive or drive without insurance and only see what they want as important, clearly a good sized minority of people don't have any social responsibility.

Breaking a new law designed to protect people in exceptional circumstances is just the same.

It took a generation to get-through to some people that wearing a seatbelt was not an assault on their civil liberties. Some people are just stupid.

[BatShite]

People are angry and ranting online on the whole, but I do think most will stick to the (weird) rules. It just seems cnfusing when you look at this random 6 thing alongside other stuff tbh.

Also its really fucking annoying that the government sent the past month enticing people to go out and spend, then seem to be whinging that people went out and spent?! People do what they are told, then get blamed for doing it. Starting to get a bit..whats the bloody point really.

Laos sick of seeing the blaming each other thing. Kicking off a neighbour had 7 people over, people like that are making the numbers go up...not the fact that so may are back to work (some..needlessly as working from home was working well for them but back to the office for no reason) and most of society is open now. No, nothing to do with temtping people to pile into restaurats for cheap meals, or people squeezing onto buses t get to work or anything, or large sporting events..its definitely Ethel and her 7 friends in the garden causing the rise.

(And honestly, the surprise about the rise too is annoying, when clearly, even if every rule was stuck to rigidly by every person, the rise would still happen because..opening more stuff, more people together, more virus spreading! This is not unexpected surely)

[Topseyt]

@JKRowlingIsMyQueen

It's specific to the corona related rules that make zero sense.

For example, a child is "bubbling" in school with 200 other children but when that child leaves school, if they walk home with 6 friends they are breaking the law, are liable for a fine and there could be marshalls enforcing distancing and scaring that children.

Please tell me in what world is this right and makes sense.

This is it for me.

It is specific to Covid. If they introduced any more ridiculous rules such as this then I personally will cease to comply. I see no point.

How can you be safe in a bubble of 30+ in a schoolyet not in a group of 6 when you get home?

A bit of critical thinking gets me to that point.

Many of us are fed up with this sort of bullshit from the government.

[turnitonagain]

The issue is lack of enforcement. I have friends living in Singapore and they said a British family was deported for having too many people over the limit (I think it was 5) at their home for a dinner party. As in, their visa was revoked and they were kicked out of the country. The security guard in their building dobbed them in.

In England no one is actually enforcing the rules so people just ignore them.

[LesLavandes]

Police have been granted more power now.

I will be following the rules as I don't want to live like this forever

[BetterEatCheese]

@MustShowDH apparently you could previously meet in groups of up to 30 if only 2 households.

[StoppinBy]

The problem is many of the rules (I am in Aus by the way) are contradictory.

My daughter was at school with no social distancing within her school, she was sitting shoulder to shoulder with kids that I barely know but at the same time I couldn't take my 3 year old to play with another 3 year old who I do know....because of the risk.

Our rules are changing at the end of this week and we can gather in up to groups of 5 so if my husband I meet his parents somewhere we can't all be seen together because we are a family of 4 and there are 2 of them, yet at the end of the day if one of my in laws has it then so will the other and if we pass it on to one of them the other will catch it.

You can bet your bottom dollar that many people are going to lose respect for rules when many of them don't make any sense.

[greenteafiend]

OP---because the rules appear to be being arbitrarily applied and not making a lot of sense.

[BringBiscuits]

I think a lot of people will carry on as they are and it is disappointing. Surely the more people that break the rules the longer this will continue.

[Theterrible42s]

As PP have said. Because the rules are inconsistent, illogical and are being made up on the hoof because this government are criminally incompetent and are trying to shift the blame for their fuck ups onto the general public. As I have been for several months now, I'll continue to do my own risk assessing and act accordingly.

The original poster expressed surprise that following "the rules" isn't universally considered to be an intrinsic part of living in society and being a good citizen (I'm paraphrasing). I would say that no, it isn't - I have little respect for anyone who blindly follows authority because "the rules" without any critique of how effective or just those rules are, or how qualified to make rules up our leaders actually are. To me being a good member of society is about acting responsibly and considerately towards others (which I always do), but also about holding our elected leaders to account.

[ConfusedPanda]

The issue is lack of enforcement. I have friends living in Singapore and they said a British family was deported for having too many people over the limit (I think it was 5) at their home for a dinner party. As in, their visa was revoked and they were kicked out of the country. The security guard in their building dobbed them in.

That does not sound like the kind of place I would want to live. Maybe you should move there though OP if that's your style. Russia, North Korea or China might also work well for you?

[turnitonagain]

Did I say that’s my preference? No I didn’t. I just gave it as an example of how seriously some countries are taking social distancing enforcement. Look at Singapore’s case numbers and deaths vs UK’s and you can decide which is more effective in dealing with this specific health emergency.

[CanuckBC]

I live in Canada in British Columbia. We are switching to limit of 6 as well. This is also after opening things up and numbers increasing.

It may be the new Covid thing to have it back down to 6. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[PhilCornwall1]

Police have been granted more power now.

But they've been screaming they don't have enough resources to Police the law changes up to now, surely this new change makes no difference, as they still don't have the resources.

I think quite a few will ignore this new change, I know I will be.

[Doryhunky]

There were hundreds of very large gatherings over the last few months that the police could have stopped but didn’t. This arbitrary figure of six is going to have a massive impact on families.

[malificent7]

Well fuck the contradictory rules:

Stay in but go out to work.
Eat out to help out but dont eat out in big groups.
Go to work but work from home if you want.
No more than 2 households....actually no more than 6 people!
Aggggrrrr! I think the confusion is somewhat intentional as I no longet know what the stupid " rules" are!
I do wear a mask though.

[foamrolling]

I think a fairer comparison with those rules would be if we were allowed to drink and drive but only if we'd been to the pub to drink because that 'helps the economy' but no drinking and driving if your drinking took place at home. You'd probably find a lot of people would break that law.

[MindyStClaire]

Well I guess the government have made it clear that it's ok to break the law in a "specific and limited way" this week.

[JacobReesMogadishu]

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There has only been ( bar 1 )very small cases in the work place. Schools open over 3 weeks , not even 1 year group sent home.

Well that’s not true. My village school has sent a year group home as has a school in a nearby village. This is just what I know locally.

And we had an outbreak at work and a colleague died. There’s been a few factories with significant (numbers)outbreak.

[yawnsvillex]

It's specific to Covid.

I will not be complying.

[parietal]

It is frustrating that the economic things are allowed- work & shopping & eating out, but the friends & family meet-ups which are so important for mental health and just for being human are not.

People matter, not just the economy

[moose62]

What would be your solution? If you were in charge? Further tank the economy to a state that we can not recover from? Keep kids at home so they lose out on education and parents can't work? Ask people to stay home so that the restaurants and retail sector have to shed more jobs? To control the spread of the virus and hopefully stop more people than necessary dying, what action would you take? We can all be critics, I work at a large secondary school and despite the best intentions it is hard to socially distance 1600 people. I would prefer to hear solutions rather than endless criticism!

[Elskerdeg]

@Torvean32

Not even one year group sent home? That's definitely not true. So many schools just in the area near me have sent year groups home due to positive tests, many also have teachers out due to positive cases.

[tigger1001]

I'm in Scotland and will admit that I no longer know what rules apply here.

People are getting fed up with the inconsistency of it all

[Glenthebattleostrich]

I'm one of those saying screw it.

We live 2.5 hours away from family, I don't drive and I'm a childminder who works with an assistant.

So, the government say I can -

Go to the pub with 5 other friends from 5 different households and sit in a room full of other people.

Have 12 children in my house(including 6 from school who are in various bubbles) meaning 24 people plus coming to my house each week, as well as having my assistant here daily, and no social distancing because it's terrible for children's mental health.

I can go get my eyebrows done, have a facial and a lovely massage.

I can't however take my daughter to see her cousins because that would be too many people.

We can't go see my mother in law because she lives with 4 other people.

Add to the fact they are pushing stuff through without scrutiny and yes I have a major problem with these laws.