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Parents leant me money - now won’t talk to me

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greymauve · 02/09/2020 18:04

NC for this.

Truly expect to get flamed for some of this but I’m just quite upset and have nowhere to turn but here.

I had to ask my parents for money yesterday. £150, with the intent of paying it back on Saturday. I very, very rarely have asked my parents for money. I’m 26 and moved out at 18. Have lived independently and always supported myself. Have also worked since the age of 14 (starting as a waitress on the weekends).

I have been struggling financially for the past few months since having a baby. He’s 21 weeks old and I went back to WFH six weeks postpartum. I had saved up at the start of my pregnancy to pay the rent for four months while on maternity leave because was only able to get £140 a week. Due to getting ill during my pregnancy, I had to start using it from 28 weeks.

I didn’t have savings because I was in a financially abusive relationship before meeting my DP and lost them all.

I’m self-employed but have regular clients, but invoicing can take some time. I haven’t been paid since July. I have a long-term illness that prevents me from working outside of the house and am high risk.

I am currently looking after my baby in the day and then working from 4pm to around 12am-1am every day. I am due £6,000 next month. I’ve literally been working as much as possible.

I am also suffering badly with PND. Am in therapy, CBT and under the perinatal team as well as being on medication.

Anyway, I had to borrow the money because my cat became unwell and I had to get emergency treatment. I have pet insurance so can claim it back.

I didn’t have enough in my account and called my mum. I was nervous to do this because as I said I do not like borrowing money.

She said okay as long as I pay it back on Saturday so I said that was fine. She then said I ‘really need to sort myself out’ and when I said that I was working as much as I could to do so she said ‘You’re not even trying’. It really hurt because I am the main earner and I am trying my absolute hardest to make as much money as possible.

Today she called me and went mental. She told me that she hadn’t asked my dad whether it was okay to lend the money and that now he won’t talk to her and it’s my fault. That she knew my mental health was bad which is why she felt she had to lend the money but she feels she shouldn’t have and that I blackmailed her. When I explained that I hadn’t mentioned my mental health when asking, so I don’t feel I blackmailed her, she said well ‘you’re always going on about your mental health’ and ‘My friend was there when you called and asked for the money and she was absolutely disgusted by it’. She then went on to say asking to borrow money is not putting my DS first and I’m not even trying to do anything about my financial situation. I said I am working every night and she said well that doesn’t help right this moment, does it? She then went on to say she was sick of me talking about my mental health and that I blamed everything on my mental health. When I asked her what exactly, she just said ‘your whole life’.

She then said she’s done talking to me and hung up.

I do talk to her about my mental health but only when she can see I’m feeling low and asks. She told me if I do need to talk to anyone about it only talk to her because if I tell my health visitor/perinatal team when it gets bad they might take DS off me.

She also said she now can’t pay her £5,000 tax bill because of me.

I then got texts afterwards asking what would happen about her seeing DS now, as if she doesn’t want anything to do with me?

Fair enough I shouldn’t have asked for the money. I was due payment yesterday but it never came. I have chased and added a late fee. But I can pay her back on Saturday as I stated when asking to borrow.

She now won’t speak to me and I feel like I’m failing even more. I have apologised but it hasn’t changed anything.

I know, I’m pitying myself right now and probably haven’t made a lot of sense. I’m writing this while taking it all in so heads a bit all over the place. Sorry

OP posts:
SmilingAloe · 02/09/2020 19:23

Your mum is awful. You sound like you are working so hard and just needed a little bit of help which was not unreasonable at all! My parents were still financially helping me out occasionally at your age and I know I will always help my dc out if they need it.
Also, as other posters have said please talk to your health visitor they will not judge you or take your baby away, they are there to help.
💐💐💐 Look after yourself, you are doing great.

QuacksInTheDark · 02/09/2020 19:23

OP you’ve done nothing wrong. She’s an adult and could have said no when you asked, she didn’t. Any consequences of that are her problem not yours.
Stop apologising to her, your mum is gaslighting the fuck out of right now, she knows your defences are low so is taking the opportunity to stick the knife in.
Pay her back on Saturday via bank transfer and then block her on everything, her behaviour is absolutely abhorrent.
Think of it this way; imagine this was your baby in future who comes to you for help and support, knowing all the struggles they’re enduring and how hard they’re trying would you treat them like this? I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t so why is it ok for her to do this to you?

JacobReesMogadishu · 02/09/2020 19:23

It wasn't wrong of you to ask to borrow the money. I have an adult dd and if she ever had worries like this I'd want her to be able to come and ask for help and I'd do everything I could to help. Especially when you've been flogging yourself trying to get the money and none of it is your fault.

I'm sorry your parents are so unsupportive. That's not your fault.

Musereader · 02/09/2020 19:25

You are not being ridiculous, you should be able to borrow a few hundred from your parents for a few days. My mum has an account with a few thousand in specifically for her children to borrow for large needed thing. Like my sister borrowed money for a larger car, and recently a month rent before UC kicked in. I've borrowed for deposits at least twice and landlord fees a few years ago and a few hundred for an extra large credit card bill or £100 to last to the end of the month in leaner times. My brother borrowed for a divorce and a car. If lending means they can't meet their own obligations they should say no, but no way does 150 now for a week mean they can't pay 5k in a few months.

Aside about your UC, you should only be reporting actual receipts, from what you said you are reporting what you have invoiced but not recived? Going forward you should do actual money you got, if you want to chat to a work coach to clarify and explain what you have been doing they can get the case manager to regenerate the APs you have reported wrong so you can redo them.

Tappering · 02/09/2020 19:26

You mum sounds like a complete bitch.

Saying that she can't pay a £5k tax bill because she lent you £150 is a load of old bollocks. But you know that, right?

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of your MH issues were exacerbated by your mum, if this is how she behaves.

Reach out to the medical professionals and ask for help - it's what they are there for and they will not take your baby away.

And find a counsellor to talk to - because it sounds like going lower contact, or cutting contact, with your parents might be beneficial for you.

Buttercupsandroses · 02/09/2020 19:27

Op just wanted say things will get better your mum is toxic and making you feel bad for nothing don't feel pressured to let her see your son either x

justasking111 · 02/09/2020 19:27

If your father is giving your mother hell over this loan it begs the question is she in an abusive relationship herself?

SometimesMaybe · 02/09/2020 19:27

Well your mum is a piece of work isn’t she. Please speak to your HV. They won’t think you are a bad mum - they will see a family trying their very hardest to keep their head above water. They also will be able to help with food bank etc if you have no money.

oakleaffy · 02/09/2020 19:29

@MitziK

Are you the poster who posted recently about spending £4-500 a month on private therapy and had an income of £2700 a month minimum with outgoings of around £1800?

If you are, that could be the reason why she's pissed off at subbing you for the cat.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3992018-I-am-financially-screwed-I-really-need-advice

How much did you get for your partner's car in the end, as you aren't driving the one you bought on finance?

Bloody hell...This is none of your/our business how much the OP got for her car.....

Are you her mum?😳

PineappleUpsideDownCake · 02/09/2020 19:30

Oh is it her :(

Jeremyironsnothing · 02/09/2020 19:32

You can afford it, you just have a temporary cash flow problem. Very unkind of your mum if you don't regularly borrow money.

Longwhiskers14 · 02/09/2020 19:32

Your DM sounds vile and like PP I suspect a lot of your mental health issues are bound up with your parents' treatment of you. I mean, who goes crazy like that about lending their child £125 for the best part of a week???

Is there a history of them blowing up at you like this?

NoGinNotComingIn · 02/09/2020 19:32

Might sound harsh but if you are struggling to such an extent I think the cat would need to go. If you can't afford £150 it's an obvious place to save.

What's the baby's father doing in all this? Is he working around the clock? Can't he work more if you have pnd? I know you've had the baby now but surely you realised before trying for a baby that you couldn't even afford mat leave that it was going to be stressful? I think I'd have thought twice personally. You are only 26 what was the rush to have a baby if finances aren't great and you are the main earner?

Your mum sounds unhinged, £150 isn't that much money really and if she couldn't afford to lend it she should have said no.

Sounds like a rubbish situation but I'd be asking my partner to contribute more so you aren't working yourself to death and rehome the cat to save ££.

GrumpyHoonMain · 02/09/2020 19:33

@greymauve

NC for this.

Truly expect to get flamed for some of this but I’m just quite upset and have nowhere to turn but here.

I had to ask my parents for money yesterday. £150, with the intent of paying it back on Saturday. I very, very rarely have asked my parents for money. I’m 26 and moved out at 18. Have lived independently and always supported myself. Have also worked since the age of 14 (starting as a waitress on the weekends).

I have been struggling financially for the past few months since having a baby. He’s 21 weeks old and I went back to WFH six weeks postpartum. I had saved up at the start of my pregnancy to pay the rent for four months while on maternity leave because was only able to get £140 a week. Due to getting ill during my pregnancy, I had to start using it from 28 weeks.

I didn’t have savings because I was in a financially abusive relationship before meeting my DP and lost them all.

I’m self-employed but have regular clients, but invoicing can take some time. I haven’t been paid since July. I have a long-term illness that prevents me from working outside of the house and am high risk.

I am currently looking after my baby in the day and then working from 4pm to around 12am-1am every day. I am due £6,000 next month. I’ve literally been working as much as possible.

I am also suffering badly with PND. Am in therapy, CBT and under the perinatal team as well as being on medication.

Anyway, I had to borrow the money because my cat became unwell and I had to get emergency treatment. I have pet insurance so can claim it back.

I didn’t have enough in my account and called my mum. I was nervous to do this because as I said I do not like borrowing money.

She said okay as long as I pay it back on Saturday so I said that was fine. She then said I ‘really need to sort myself out’ and when I said that I was working as much as I could to do so she said ‘You’re not even trying’. It really hurt because I am the main earner and I am trying my absolute hardest to make as much money as possible.

Today she called me and went mental. She told me that she hadn’t asked my dad whether it was okay to lend the money and that now he won’t talk to her and it’s my fault. That she knew my mental health was bad which is why she felt she had to lend the money but she feels she shouldn’t have and that I blackmailed her. When I explained that I hadn’t mentioned my mental health when asking, so I don’t feel I blackmailed her, she said well ‘you’re always going on about your mental health’ and ‘My friend was there when you called and asked for the money and she was absolutely disgusted by it’. She then went on to say asking to borrow money is not putting my DS first and I’m not even trying to do anything about my financial situation. I said I am working every night and she said well that doesn’t help right this moment, does it? She then went on to say she was sick of me talking about my mental health and that I blamed everything on my mental health. When I asked her what exactly, she just said ‘your whole life’.

She then said she’s done talking to me and hung up.

I do talk to her about my mental health but only when she can see I’m feeling low and asks. She told me if I do need to talk to anyone about it only talk to her because if I tell my health visitor/perinatal team when it gets bad they might take DS off me.

She also said she now can’t pay her £5,000 tax bill because of me.

I then got texts afterwards asking what would happen about her seeing DS now, as if she doesn’t want anything to do with me?

Fair enough I shouldn’t have asked for the money. I was due payment yesterday but it never came. I have chased and added a late fee. But I can pay her back on Saturday as I stated when asking to borrow.

She now won’t speak to me and I feel like I’m failing even more. I have apologised but it hasn’t changed anything.

I know, I’m pitying myself right now and probably haven’t made a lot of sense. I’m writing this while taking it all in so heads a bit all over the place. Sorry

Your Mum sounds like she is gaslighting you. Pay her back then go low contact with her - that means no visits apart from maybe once or twice a year for Christmas etc.
Sunshineandsparkle · 02/09/2020 19:34

I’m sorry Op. Your mum sounds like a nasty piece of work. Families should help each other where possible. At least you’re learning a good lesson of what not to do as your dc grows up. I hope things get better soon.

Fluffycloudland77 · 02/09/2020 19:34

@greymauve

Also if anyone has any advice - what will happen if I tell my GP/perinatal team I am struggling? I have been telling them things are ok because I don’t want them to take DS away. If they find out I’ve been lying will they take him? I called Samaritans at 11pm last night and it was a man who picked up and he said he couldn’t help because he doesn’t know about PND.
No one will take the baby. There was a program on r4 about this recently and they said even if you were threatening to harm a baby they’d offer a baby and mother psych unit where you can be together. Babies are cute but their bloody hard work so you’re stuck with him now 😀.

I also think your mum is awful to you and you should have a period of not contacting her. She’s treating you terribly badly and seems very manipulative. If they put every baby whose mother has pnd into care the care system would collapse overnight. Pnd is huge.

You can use online debt recovery solicitors for late invoices. I offer 28 days. On day 29 I apply for a letter before action to be sent out. They pay pretty quickly after that.

Iamuhtredsonofuhtred · 02/09/2020 19:34

Her behaviour is so horrendous. I can’t believe it’s even real (not doubting you but just WTF?) my parents would never, ever make me feel bad for asking to borrow money. If they couldn’t help me they’d tell me straight but they’d never agree and then guilt trip me and shame me. We all need help from time to time. If you are working hard and rarely ask then her behavior is absolutely shocking.

vapeinafleshlight · 02/09/2020 19:35

"I have a credit card I keep in a tub of water in the freezer" really?! I have never heard of that!!

Malbecfan · 02/09/2020 19:36

I thought HMRC had said that tax bills normally paid on account in July could be rolled over until January, so the tax bill sounds like bollocks to me.

My elderly dad has been with me since mid-March. I took him home in early July so he could tax, MoT & insure his car and sort out his tax return. We opened a letter when we got there saying no tax needed to be paid til January. Dad can afford it and doesn't like to take advantage so he paid July's amount, mostly as he said, in case he doesn't make it to January, it's less to come out of his estate. I cannot for a minute imagine he is the only one who can defer the lot until January.

Your mother is heartless and scaremongering. Pay her back when you are able then ignore her. She is not worthy of the title mother/grandmother. You and your DC deserve so much better. Your DC won't be taken from you; you sound like you are managing and putting them first, which is what matters Flowers

SunshineCake · 02/09/2020 19:38

What happens with your dc is that your mother doesn't see him. If she can't be loving towards you then she doesn't get to play granny with your child.

Floralnomad · 02/09/2020 19:39

Unless there is some massive backstory no one will take your baby away from you if you ask for help , and you probably won’t get better without help so do ask for it . Your mother sounds like a right charmer and if she wants nothing to do with you then she gets no time with your child , which frankly would probably be a good thing particularly at the moment . Hope the cat is ok and things improve for you .

Sewrainbow · 02/09/2020 19:49

I don't often say this but I'd give her the money then not het in touch with her again. That's a cruel way to treat you over such a tiny amount.

You could tell her how you fell maybe write a letter to go with the money to explain how you feel but really I doubt that will.make any difference to the situation. Its joy about the money, especially if give never borrowed from her before, it's about the lack of support and compassion for your situation that is the real issue.

Emeraldshamrock · 02/09/2020 19:50

I'd give my last bean to help my DD in your situation.
Some people enjoy having the upper hand they use kindness to punish it makes them feel superior.
I hope things improve soon.
I'd rethink my future relationship with them theres nothing like a kick when you're down to help you see through people.

Coffeepot72 · 02/09/2020 19:53

Hoping your cat is getting better. Pets are family members.

8elate8 · 02/09/2020 20:01

Oh OP, this is not a normal way for a parent to behave at all. Your mother is not good for you. Her reaction was wrong, over the top and not how you react when your child asks for money! No wonder you were nervous asking her.
You must be exhausted working so much and looking after your baby too. I've got an 18 month old and I would not have coped having to do what you have to. You should be so proud of yourself. You already sound so so much better than your mum.

Maybe just pay your mum back when you can and cut your losses. Toxic relationships are no good, even if it's your parents that are toxic. Focus on yourself, your baby and partner, you will be so much better off.