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Parents leant me money - now won’t talk to me

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greymauve · 02/09/2020 18:04

NC for this.

Truly expect to get flamed for some of this but I’m just quite upset and have nowhere to turn but here.

I had to ask my parents for money yesterday. £150, with the intent of paying it back on Saturday. I very, very rarely have asked my parents for money. I’m 26 and moved out at 18. Have lived independently and always supported myself. Have also worked since the age of 14 (starting as a waitress on the weekends).

I have been struggling financially for the past few months since having a baby. He’s 21 weeks old and I went back to WFH six weeks postpartum. I had saved up at the start of my pregnancy to pay the rent for four months while on maternity leave because was only able to get £140 a week. Due to getting ill during my pregnancy, I had to start using it from 28 weeks.

I didn’t have savings because I was in a financially abusive relationship before meeting my DP and lost them all.

I’m self-employed but have regular clients, but invoicing can take some time. I haven’t been paid since July. I have a long-term illness that prevents me from working outside of the house and am high risk.

I am currently looking after my baby in the day and then working from 4pm to around 12am-1am every day. I am due £6,000 next month. I’ve literally been working as much as possible.

I am also suffering badly with PND. Am in therapy, CBT and under the perinatal team as well as being on medication.

Anyway, I had to borrow the money because my cat became unwell and I had to get emergency treatment. I have pet insurance so can claim it back.

I didn’t have enough in my account and called my mum. I was nervous to do this because as I said I do not like borrowing money.

She said okay as long as I pay it back on Saturday so I said that was fine. She then said I ‘really need to sort myself out’ and when I said that I was working as much as I could to do so she said ‘You’re not even trying’. It really hurt because I am the main earner and I am trying my absolute hardest to make as much money as possible.

Today she called me and went mental. She told me that she hadn’t asked my dad whether it was okay to lend the money and that now he won’t talk to her and it’s my fault. That she knew my mental health was bad which is why she felt she had to lend the money but she feels she shouldn’t have and that I blackmailed her. When I explained that I hadn’t mentioned my mental health when asking, so I don’t feel I blackmailed her, she said well ‘you’re always going on about your mental health’ and ‘My friend was there when you called and asked for the money and she was absolutely disgusted by it’. She then went on to say asking to borrow money is not putting my DS first and I’m not even trying to do anything about my financial situation. I said I am working every night and she said well that doesn’t help right this moment, does it? She then went on to say she was sick of me talking about my mental health and that I blamed everything on my mental health. When I asked her what exactly, she just said ‘your whole life’.

She then said she’s done talking to me and hung up.

I do talk to her about my mental health but only when she can see I’m feeling low and asks. She told me if I do need to talk to anyone about it only talk to her because if I tell my health visitor/perinatal team when it gets bad they might take DS off me.

She also said she now can’t pay her £5,000 tax bill because of me.

I then got texts afterwards asking what would happen about her seeing DS now, as if she doesn’t want anything to do with me?

Fair enough I shouldn’t have asked for the money. I was due payment yesterday but it never came. I have chased and added a late fee. But I can pay her back on Saturday as I stated when asking to borrow.

She now won’t speak to me and I feel like I’m failing even more. I have apologised but it hasn’t changed anything.

I know, I’m pitying myself right now and probably haven’t made a lot of sense. I’m writing this while taking it all in so heads a bit all over the place. Sorry

OP posts:
tensmum1964 · 02/09/2020 18:46

You sound like a really strong capable women. Your mother however sounds unhinged and toxic. Sorry that you have had to put up with a mother like that. Maybe one day you can stop blaming your self and see the situation for what it is and get her well and truly out of yours and your child's life.

averythinline · 02/09/2020 18:46

You mum sounds horrible ... however your financial and working situation does not sound robust either... running on working such late hours means you are on the go from dp leaving to go to work you look after ds and then you are starting your working day.... when do you top up your energy reserves?
why do you think SS will take your child away he has 2 parents who are trying hard for him..

pay your mother back... then just grey rock her for a while she is not helping and you do not have energy to spare for the drama.... she is not good for you at the moment... if if she is not good for you she is not good for your DC either... I would never ever mention money to her again and see if there is a pdsa/rspca near you that will do emergency treatment or if your vet -knowing you have insurance has a better process...

just stop answering her calls for a while and - talk to your therapist more not less.....

If DP ups his hours will you be able to reduce yours?

can you move somewhere cheaper? in the short-med term you need to sort your finances out as a couple in a way that recognises -you/noone can sustain this level of activity and stress..
(been there with my mum but she was a single parent so when she did crash and burn it was a nightmare and really hard for her so I feel for you and what you are trying to juggle)

can you try debt/financial counselling - if you are earning enough to get hardly any UC then you both need to reloook at your overall financial picture...

you seem very alone in this so I hope thats just how you typed and DP is pulling his weight....practically if not financially

if you cant work outside the home have you been assessed for PIP?

in the moment though just try and breath and get through each day - talk to the support you have .. and park anything that is not support in the to deal with next week pile....

vdbfamily · 02/09/2020 18:47

Not sure how long you have been self employed but wanted to check whether you have liked to see if any of the Covid grants for Self employed people are available to you. You just have to state that your income had been affected and you get support. Not sure if may leave confuses things but worth checking the second grant if you are back at work.

DishingOutDone · 02/09/2020 18:47

OP it so sad that you started this post saying you expected to get flamed - what the fuck for? For being in a difficult position with a baby and doing your best? Your mother is the one with the real MH issues here and if and when you get into counselling lay that on the table first. What an evil cow she is.

Groovee · 02/09/2020 18:48

Your mum is wrong that they will try to take ds off you. Speak to the GP and your HV, you might not be able to get face to face help but they will know what is available. There is help and support there for you.

As for your mum, I'd hope neither of my children would be afraid to come to me for help. Is it worth going low contact for a while (or no contact if they are in such a huff with you)?

ekidmxcl · 02/09/2020 18:48

Also - stand up to her now if you speak to her. She’ll never change if she gets away with this crap.

Tell her to sort herself out. If she really has a £5k tax bill that was compromised by a few days loaning 150 then she hasn’t got her own finances under control and was weak and stupid to loan the 150.

Tell her you and your baby are a package and if she doesn’t want to bother with you, she can’t see the baby. Besides, I can’t think why you’d want to see the bitch anyway.

Soubriquet · 02/09/2020 18:48

Oh OP I feel for you.

Your mum is out of order

She either should have said she couldn’t lend you any or given it and shut up.

You agreed to pay it back Saturday, it’s Wednesday.

She had no reason to last out at you

Coffeecak3 · 02/09/2020 18:49

I really think your dm has issues with her mental health and is using you to deflect attention from herself by saying these things.
Ignore your parents. Pay the money back when you can. If you haven't got it by Saturday tell her she'll get it when you have it.
Good parents don't begrudge £150 to help their dc. It's hardly a large sum. Does she not understand about the economic impact of covid?
If I spoke to my dc like this they'd tell me not to poke my nose in their business. And quite rightly.
You've done really well to stay afloat and you're working your socks off, don't listen to your nasty dm.

Dizzib1 · 02/09/2020 18:50

You will definitely not have your DS taken away, i had PND with 3 of my kids, the first one was 31 years ago & it wasn't diagnosed until after he was a year old, GP helped & was prescribed tablets which took a couple of weeks to kick in, after then MW & HV knew to look out for it with me which helped.
You are doing great, ignore your mum! she sounds like she has MH issues of her own

Wakemeupwhenthisisover · 02/09/2020 18:51

What’s your dad like? Is he not speaking to you too? Where they abusive when you were growing up? Also it sounds as if your mum is the one with MH problems.

Sorry op you sound as if you’re trying your best, we all get behind in our bills sometimes.

WaltzfortheMars · 02/09/2020 18:51

I am sorry you are having a difficult time. It only happened yesterday, so she may calm down and talk to you in few days. You have done nothing wrong anyway, it is sad that your mum reacted the way she did.

Hope everything work out for you.

Soubriquet · 02/09/2020 18:51

Honestly, if SS took every child away from a mother who suffered PND, there would be a lot more kids on care

I’ve had it. With both children in fact.

wafflyversatile · 02/09/2020 18:53

You've done nothing wrong. You are clearly working very hard in trying circumstances.

Your mother's behaviour is abusive. Not sure why posters suddenly start saying toxic when they're talking about mothers rather than partners.

Pay her back when you can and if at all possible go no contact, at least for a while. You will probably find your mental health improves immensely.

Blankblankblank · 02/09/2020 18:54

@greymauve

Also if anyone has any advice - what will happen if I tell my GP/perinatal team I am struggling? I have been telling them things are ok because I don’t want them to take DS away. If they find out I’ve been lying will they take him? I called Samaritans at 11pm last night and it was a man who picked up and he said he couldn’t help because he doesn’t know about PND.
They will not take him. They will support you any way they can and signpost you / refer you to counselling, support and possibly offer medication that could help. Please speak to someone, and not your mother -what she has done is awful!

There are some links to helplines and support groups here. I’m sorry The Samaritans weren’t able to point you in the right direction Flowers
www.nhs.uk/conditions/post-natal-depression/treatment/

CornishTiger · 02/09/2020 18:54

Your mum made a decision to lend you money - she did this without consulting her husband. That’s between them.

Your mum was with a friend when you called. She could have moved to make the call more private. She didn’t have to discuss it with her friend. She also didn’t need to tell you her response. It no she sounds like she likes drama.

Toxic through and through.

Is it a new self employment. Don’t you have minimum income floor not set for first 12 months of claiming. Your earnings when applied to UC are when you are paid not invoiced. Make sure you are doing it right.

Get budgeting advice. Post up here if you want.

Your mother is toxic. Disengage.

PinkDaffodil2 · 02/09/2020 18:54

Post natal depression and ‘normal’ depression are both really common, and absolutely not a reason anyone would consider thinking about taking your little one away.
You sound like an amazing mum and a hard worker but I wouldn’t be surprised if your mother has been a big factor contributing to your mental health problems - she sounds horrible!
Your GP or HV or PANDAs as PP suggested would all be able to offer support Flowers

oakleaffy · 02/09/2020 18:55

£150 is nothing!
Heck, I have loaned DS way more than that.

However, Some people do bang on and on about their 'Mental health' these days -as if it excuses everything...Not saying you do this, though, OP.
Your mum sounds a nightmare- She shouldn't have lent the money unless she could afford to lose it -

I never lend money to anyone except DS in the direst of situations -EG, Lockdown...He is self employed, too.

blarrr · 02/09/2020 18:56

Absolutely don't ever borrow money from her ever again. Because she's probably been waiting for this opportunity, when you are indebted to her in some way, so that she can beat you over the head with it and use it to make you feel shit.

Some of the things she's said to you are completely irrational. But there's no point pointing that out to her. Please watch some videos about narcissistic Mums on YouTube and then go Grey Rock. Emotionally dis-connect with her, don't tell her your troubles (she will use them against you, like she it now - throwing what you've told her about your mental health back in your face).

I recognise some of what you are saying as it reminds me of my mum. I feel really uncomfortable when she gives me money (that I did not ask for) because nothing is for free. Like when she paid for me and my sister's family to go on holiday with her, for the sole reason of trapping me in a caravan where she could try to get me to take responsibility (in front of everyone) for an argument we'd had in which she was vile to me and I basically did nothing. She played the victim and lied in front of them all, but I refused to concede.

No money or favour is without a whole lot of strife from such individuals.

SpottedOnMN · 02/09/2020 18:56

I had postnatal psychosis, spent weeks in a mother and baby psychiatric unit and there was still no question of my baby being taken away from me. Ask for help. And distance yourself from your mum, she sounds very erratic.

vapeinafleshlight · 02/09/2020 18:57

She can't pay a 5 grand tax bill which is due in January because you've borrowed £150 until Saturday?

I'd point that out to her. I'd have to.....and reply to her texts about seeing your son that there is nothing to arrange....she sees your son when she sees you and at no other time.

mellowgreenspring · 02/09/2020 18:57

I'm so sorry you've fallen through the gaps of government support, your mum sounds plain nasty.

And you sound frazzled! But if you can keep getting the contracts and keep running the business that should grow and make life easier, sounds like you have a supporting partner and it's such hard work but it will get easier.

I was in a very similar position, new baby, running my own design projects invoices never being paid on time, husband lower earner, no support at all.

I'm still alive, just and as I kept on going as my eldest got easier I was earning enough for nursery hours my business grew and grew and I'm now running with staff, it's hard hard work, but if you've got this far you can do this without your mums support.

The best part is you won't have gaps in work, you'll be current and hopefully as the business grows you can have flexibility beyond working 9-5.

I also did the 1am finish's and would be at a toddler group at 9am.

I hope the cat is ok, I hope you have great friends and don't forget to try and take a break sometime!

kidsdrivingmemad · 02/09/2020 18:58

After you've paid the money back I'd seriously consider going LC or even NC until you are at least in a better place to deal with her bullshit. Remember you and your son come as a package.

Chairbear · 02/09/2020 18:58

I had to re read it as I cannot imagine anyone making such a fuss about £150, it's like you asked for thousands. It sounds like you're doing amazing to be honest, sorry if that sounds condescending; but having a baby is hard, going back to work is hard, struggling with your MH is hard, and doing all of those things during a pandemic is even harder.

Shamoo · 02/09/2020 18:58

You sound lovely OP. Really lovely, and strong and inspiring. Your mum sounds like a really nasty piece of work.

You should be super proud of everything you have achieved. I don’t have any real advice other than to suggest you put some very strong boundaries in place with your mum, so she can’t impact you in the same way.

Hope that you, your cat and your baby are all doing ok. Xxxx

oakleaffy · 02/09/2020 19:00

@greymauve
Of course no one will take your DS away!

As long as he is fed, clothed, happy, and well supervised why on earth would anyone dream of 'taking him away''?

Don't worry. Flowers

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