AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

[2fallsagain]

Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

Lol at “ clitorous ect”

The words ‘penis’ and ‘vulva’ are not pornographic.

What I could read of that article before the paywall was pretty sensationalist, and I don’t especially trust the Telegraph’s reporting. I‘d want to see the material itself before making a judgment on it.

I think we can all agree that sex education hasn’t been fit for purpose in this country for a long time, and one of the reasons is that it has in the past been hugely heteronormative and focused on a very traditional conception of sex as ‘penis in vagina’. This doesn’t particularly cater to gay or lesbian sex, which usually fall by the wayside in educational terms. When I was taught sex ed at school it focused exclusively on penetrative sex, and gays and lesbians weren’t so much as mentioned.

This leaves children with a huge information gap which is, too often, filled in with actual porn. That’s clearly not a good thing.

We know that 14 year olds are interested in sex. We know kids of that age talk about it, and that some will seek out inappropriate material on the internet about it. I would personally rather my kids learned about sex (including fingering and anal and everything else) from trained people in a safe environment than from their own internet searches, or those of their friends.

I’m not wholeheartedly endorsing this resource because I haven’t actually seen it, but I’m willing to believe it’s a lot more educational and nuanced than a sensationalised headline about teaching sex games to children.

I find it highly problematic, inaccurate and inappropriate, especially for 13 year olds. It also refers to an “internal clitoris” (i.e. prostate). Suggest people who find it find look it up and read the actual dice descriptions

@Srslydontgiveacrap

Seems fine, stop being a prude.

Adding some laughter to the situation is likely to stop the tense embarrassed atmosphere.

It's more likely to cause a 'tense, embarrassed atmosphere'. The poor kids will be mortified. Op, yanbu.

Still waiting to hear how many of the critics have taught sex ed.

Teaching body parts, totally.fine. but teaching them HOW to penetrate different body parts?

You can report it in a million different ways that make it sound inappropriate. But the reality is, this is for teenagers, it's about open, frank discussion about sex (which realistically is going to happen regardless of parents feelings/wishes and often before age 16) and to be honest I find it hard to get het-up about something which can help teenagers feel secure in the choices they're making.

Some girls I went to school with were having sex "as young as 13" to quote the article. Why wouldn't you educate someone if you knew there was a good chance they'd already begun to be sexually active?

Linking it here, not sure if it will work..

I thought I shared the share token but perhaps it's not working.

The kit asks your teens to roll a dice. The dice has words like anus, mouth, fingers, penis and vagina and come up with a way people could have securing those combinations.

I'm shocked people think it's fine for adults to be teaching graphic sex acts to kids.

“Teaching “

Mate theyve existed for thousands of years

@TomNook

Still waiting to hear how many of the critics have taught sex ed.

I've taught relationship and sex education to years 2 to 6.

I do not want to have conversations with children about how a penis and an anus could interact in a ‘fun’ way.

If you / your child’s school aren’t having that conversation, just be aware that the internet and their friends will. And you have no control over what they’ll learn from that.

Porn has completely normalised anal and taught a generation of young men that it’s something easy and fun that all girls should be totally up for. Wouldn’t you rather they learned what it’s actually like from a sex ed teacher?

There are gay children who are as likely to explore as heterosexual children.

If we want more openness And knowledge for our children what’s Wrong in and if itself of talking about lube for Anal sex?

@2fallsagain

I thought I shared the share token but perhaps it's not working.

The kit asks your teens to roll a dice. The dice has words like anus, mouth, fingers, penis and vagina and come up with a way people could have securing those combinations.

I'm shocked people think it's fine for adults to be teaching graphic sex acts to kids.

I'm shocked people link to paywalls and manipulate headlines to sound dramatic. But here we are.

We all know that in countries with lower teenage pregnancy rate that sex is taught in a normal matter-of-fact way, maybe even yeswith some jokes and laughs in it. Pretending sex does not exist does not help anybody

I'm shocked people think it's fine for adults to be teaching graphic sex acts to kids.

When I was shown a diagram of a penis penetrating a vagina and taught to roll a condom onto a plastic penis when I was 14, was I being taught a graphic sex act by an adult?

I've teach science so there's always a chance SRE will be my job, I observed some lessons on porn during my training and they were very much about how porn isn't like real life, with huge focus on consent.

I imagine these being used as an ice breaker or a conversation starter.

If you want to ban all resources that might make a 15 year old imagine a sex act your work will never be done

I agree with a pp I'd be sceptical of anything with possibly biased funding for use in schools.

Tom this is amillion miles away from pretending sex does not exist.

Kids need good quality sex education and RSEwhat they don't need is their teachers talking to them about what you can do with a mouth and an anus.

The adult in this scenario isn’t teaching them in that sense. They’re talking about it.

And the whole of the internet is in Their phones. Don’t you think it’s a good idea to have a sensible lesson about it all rather than all the porn?

I’m not sure how this is any different from discussing ‘what is oral sex?’, ’What is anal sex’ etc. Which we did in PSHE is secondary school? It’s literally just a tool to get pupils talking.

Any "Game" like this should only be playing when involvement is not in any way coerced.

Problem is if you have a teacher on position of authority telling children this is what we are doing today. There's an imbalance of power between the person introducing the game and the children. Children are taught to be compliant to teachers, therefore the ability for a child to say no is diminished.

Any benefit to the game (And I can see a use) is undermined by what it inadvently teaches about consent. Any teaching
activity involved in Sex ed must also support learning about boundaries and informed consent.

This does not do that.

Yanbu. This sounds awful. Wtf are they trying to do to our children

@Hazelnutlatteplease

Any "Game" like this should only be playing when involvement is not in any way coerced.

Problem is if you have a teacher on position of authority telling children this is what we are doing today. There's an imbalance of power between the person introducing the game and the children. Children are taught to be compliant to teachers, therefore the ability for a child to say no is diminished.

Any benefit to the game (And I can see a use) is undermined by what it inadvently teaches about consent. Any teaching
activity involved in Sex ed must also support learning about boundaries and informed consent.

This does not do that.

That applies to any sex Ed class.

@RowboatsinDisguise

I’m not sure how this is any different from discussing ‘what is oral sex?’, ’What is anal sex’ etc. Which we did in PSHE is secondary school? It’s literally just a tool to get pupils talking.

Yes. Don’t get hung up on the word game