AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

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Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

I have read the document and wondered if any of the critics have actually experienced any secondary teachers using this resource? Is there any indication that they're not talking about consent and only doing things they feel comfortable about?

@TheHappyHerbivore

Yes they do, in terms of consent and safety, not dirty talk about all the body parts and objects you can shove in there. That's really irresponsible. Anal sex doesn't come as standard in any relationship, gay or straight.

But kinks are being explored by young teenagers. They have access to all the porn in the world on their phone. 25 year old girls are being pressured into anal by boys who see it as a normal part of sex because that’s what porn tells them.

Discussing it in schools is so important. Kids need to know the different kinds of sex. I was never even taught that women could have sex with each other, so as a lesbian sex Ed was pretty excluding. And good teachers will bring these discussions round to enjoyment, to consent, to not feeling compelled to do something you don’t want to, to not pressuring someone else into anything.

They’re not saying “right kids, this is fisting, this is rimming and this is anal sex. Go practice in your own time”

I also agree about the homophobia on the thread. It appears to be assumed by many that the teaching is only for heterosexual sex.

[quote IAmFleshIAmBone]@TheHappyHerbivore

Yes they do, in terms of consent and safety, not dirty talk about all the body parts and objects you can shove in there. That's really irresponsible. Anal sex doesn't come as standard in any relationship, gay or straight. [/quote]
@IAmFleshIAmBone do you have a problem with gay sex?

Anal is a part of sex for very man couples, regardless of their sexuality.

I’m bi. Sex Ed was heteronormative and contributed to me feeling abnormal for many years.

Seems that many on this thread want that to continue.

Yes, it CAN be a part of sex for any couple, gay or straight. But it's not something we should be teaching kids other than the bare minimum needed for safety and consent.

@IAmFleshIAmBone

Yes, it CAN be a part of sex for any couple, gay or straight. But it's not something we should be teaching kids other than the bare minimum needed for safety and consent.

What do you call the bare minimum?

@Doccomplaint no, no problem with adults doing what they want to do. But I don't think kids need this much detail. I think it's wrong

I was never even taught that women could have sex with each other, so as a lesbian sex Ed was pretty excluding.

The game doesn't have the clitoris on the lists, or breasts. Despite being funded supposedly for lesbian and bi women, there doesn't seem to be much information directed towards women.

Since it’s funded by a taxpayer fund for women and girls you’d think it would focus on women and girls.

It’s very male-centred - there’s a box about male masturbation, but not female. Not to mention the “internal clitoris” (prostate).

Given the dice introduces shoving things up their arses over anytbhing that would be considered foreplay, fails to even mention the clitoris, I think its very clear what this is all about. And its not about teaching kids about consensual sex thats meant to be pleasurable for both partners and the damage that can be done to their bodies if not done properly.

Its no coincidence its the lgbt charity becuase its the one organisation that wont be questioned because "'phobe"

But how many lesbian couples shove sfuff up their arse? That's a male g spot thing isn't it? Nothing at all about pleasure for women.

People need to wake up its that word we arent allowed to say. In plain sight.

Anal sex doesn't come as standard in any relationship, gay or straight.

Says who? You? Who put you in charge?

Research suggests that only 1/6 gay men never have anal sex (www.gaystarnews.com/article/how-do-men-and-women-prepare-to-bottom-for-anal-sex/) which slightly undermines your assertion.

And plenty of hereto couples have anal sex as well (as much as 24% of straight women - www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2017/12/07/one-four-straight-women-anal-sex-times-month-7139539/amp/). That’s absolutely fine - consenting adults can do what they like. But I would much rather those adults were veterans of a sex education programme which taught them what anal sex was, and how to have it in a safe and enjoyable way.

[quote ChristmasCarcass]@IAmFleshIAmBone being a gay man is not a “kink”. Jesus this thread is incredibly homophobic. Shall we just bring back Section 28, and have done with it?[/quote]
You do realise that anal sex is only a small part of the sexual range of gay men? A lot of gay men I know tell me it's something they rarely do.

I think you are exaggerating to call people's comments homophobic. They may be focusing on heterosexual relationships when thinking about anal sex, and discussing the pressure girls and young women are under to engage in an act that is painful, dangerous, and unpleasurable for the vast majority of females. That's not homophobic.

Would you rather teenagers experiment with no knowledge? If you're open enough with your teenager to answer their questions and have talks, great. Otherwise they need to know what's safe, what isn't. It can be easier for them to ask their teacher rather than parent

@Mollscroll

I actually think the most urgent sex education need for girls these days is that they do not have to have anal sex. They are coming under so much pressure from porn - sex education should be undermining the porn narrative not contributing to it.

I agree. Same with choking and slapping and anything else that is physically harmful.

I'm glad I was a teenager in the 90s when boys seemed to be really delighted to be able to make a girl have an orgasm, rather than now when it seems that they want to punch girls in the face and force anal on them instead. All in the name of pleasure. Their pleasure, obviously.

I could cry for my daughter.

@IAmFleshIAmBone

Why do you think less detail = better educated?

How could it possibly help people to know less about how to do something safely and comfortably?

Given the dice introduces shoving things up their arses over anytbhing that would be considered foreplay, fails to even mention the clitoris, I think its very clear what this is all about. And its not about teaching kids about consensual sex thats meant to be pleasurable for both partners and the damage that can be done to their bodies if not done properly.

Its no coincidence its the lgbt charity becuase its the one organisation that wont be questioned because "'phobe"

But how many lesbian couples shove sfuff up their arse? That's a male g spot thing isn't it? Nothing at all about pleasure for women.

People need to wake up its that word we arent allowed to say. In plain sight.

^^ALL. OF. THIS.

The bare minimum - that SOME couples engage in it, that it CAN be part of a healthy relationship but isnt required (gay OR straight - believe it or not, not all gay men like things shoved up their arses), how to do it safely, how to ensure everyone is happy and consenting, the same as any sex act.

I completely agree that there should be more focus on women like the clitoris, female masturbation etc but I still think they need to teach about anal sex.

no problem with adults doing what they want to do. But I don't think kids need this much detail. I think it's wrong

Kids will still have anal sex whether it's covered in sex Ed or not. I would rather it be covered with safety, consent etc discussed than they learn about it from porn hub.

[quote IAmFleshIAmBone]@Doccomplaint no, no problem with adults doing what they want to do. But I don't think kids need this much detail. I think it's wrong [/quote]
If you don’t want them to have detail, what do you envisage telling them?

@IAmFleshIAmBone

The bare minimum - that SOME couples engage in it, that it CAN be part of a healthy relationship but isnt required (gay OR straight - believe it or not, not all gay men like things shoved up their arses), how to do it safely, how to ensure everyone is happy and consenting, the same as any sex act.

Your tone is telling.

@IAmFleshIAmBone there are specifics about safety to teach about different sex acts. Talking about having things shoved up arses shows that you think it's shameful or disgusting. Just because you choose not to engage in something doesn't make it necessarily bad.

@NerrSnerr

I completely agree that there should be more focus on women like the clitoris, female masturbation etc but I still think they need to teach about anal sex.

no problem with adults doing what they want to do. But I don't think kids need this much detail. I think it's wrong

Kids will still have anal sex whether it's covered in sex Ed or not. I would rather it be covered with safety, consent etc discussed than they learn about it from porn hub.

The thing is, this presents a very positive view of anal sex, with no mention of safety, boundaries or consent. To me, it is no better than children seeing it in porn. It gives the impression that it’s something perfectly safe and enjoyable