AIBU to think teachers should not be teaching sex games to children?

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Article In today's Times about teaching resources for RSE from the proud trust.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/government-gives-pupils-sex-advice-on-the-roll-of-a-dice-80hmsplws

In summary "The government has funded a tool kit written by the Proud Trust, an LGBT charity, which includes dice featuring words such as “anus”, “vulva”, “penis” and “hands and fingers”. Children are encouraged to throw the dice twice and talk about the sexual acts that can happen using the two body parts".

AIBU to think this is deeply inappropriate and any school using Proud Trust resources needs investigating? WTF is the government doing funding pornographic material for children?

I would imagine also the child is groomed to behave in a grownup/sexy way to please the adult, and goes along with it in case it makes the adult pleased with them and therefore hurt them less.

That reaction about owning what happened etc can happen with adult women who are victims of rape as well.

Just realized I need to add that my comments are about behavior following the end of the abuse, not while it is ongoing with the abuser.
I only work in a post abuse context.

Thank you. It's something I've never understood. This bit in particular resonates

And a follow on fear that you are so damaged by your experiences that others will be able to see and sense your damage

I don't understand why voices like yours are being ignored in this debate, hangingover.

It's not like the teachers are getting them to act it out the game shows how it's possible more than one combination can happen and how it can be done safely and it's far better than what I got was this is how u have sex willy in fanny . I'm a lesbian and would have appreciated this knowledge as a child so that I didn't engage in heterosexual intercourse before being with a woman because I was told this is sex and there was no other option presented. Being a 16 year old having sex with a male was traumatic. And not my fault of I had known there was other options I'd never have engaged at all and maybe have had a better first time experience.

This is clearly not a sex game . It's an introduction to reality and a safe healthy way to do so

@Rhumatoidwarrior88

It's not like the teachers are getting them to act it out the game shows how it's possible more than one combination can happen and how it can be done safely and it's far better than what I got was this is how u have sex willy in fanny . I'm a lesbian and would have appreciated this knowledge as a child so that I didn't engage in heterosexual intercourse before being with a woman because I was told this is sex and there was no other option presented. Being a 16 year old having sex with a male was traumatic. And not my fault of I had known there was other options I'd never have engaged at all and maybe have had a better first time experience.

This is clearly not a sex game . It's an introduction to reality and a safe healthy way to do so

Well this would have been the wrong teaching session for you, since there’s absolutely nothing about female pleasure discussed in it, it’s all about cock, balls and men’s pleasure. But you’d know that, if you took the time to read up on it and read the many comments and legitimate concerns on here. It’s better to be awake, than woke.

You're ok, as a lesbian, with the omission of breasts & clitoris from the dice?

Information that rubbing your arsehole against someone elses (how!?) would be useful?

I have read that where the clit is mentioned it is described as external which is of course incorrect.

You're good with this? And with 13 yo being asked to think of ways various body parts can interact in front of their teacher and classmates?

Have you read the thread and the materials?

How do you know it's safe and healthy? What evidence is there that this is the best way to provide sex education to children? We don't even know who wrote it!

I'm a lesbian and would have appreciated this knowledge as a child

Well you would be disappointed then, because it mainly revolves around stuff like putting another person's penis under your foreskin and rubbing bum holes together.

I'm a lesbian and would have appreciated this knowledge as a child

Ok now I’m annoyed.

Don’t come on a thread, read nothing about the topic and then put these types of comments which imply homophobia is the reason for the concern. If you had bothered to look at this properly, you’d see this is not in any way helpful to lesbians and the game and language is not good child safeguarding.

Please read the info about the game and the concerns of child sex ed teachers here before commenting. This is a very serious topic that deserves proper consideration

Well said MillyMollyFarmer

Yes, the 'you're all homophobic prudes' crap is annoying, but it is extra annoying when it comes from people who blatantly haven't read the material!

Absolutely, the implied accusation of homophobia is an attempt to shut down a debate that some posters have made no effort to understand.

The other reason this makes me so angry is that the argument that this serves the needs of gay students is completely false. It perpetuates a harmful stereotype that gay sex is synonymous with kink. This type of 'sex education' serves no one apart from adults who want to blur the established, important boundaries around children and sex that are there to keep children safe.

"Well this would have been the wrong teaching session for you, since there’s absolutely nothing about female pleasure discussed in it, it’s all about cock, balls and men’s pleasure. But you’d know that, if you took the time to read up on it and read the many comments and legitimate concerns on here. It’s better to be awake, than woke."

Not balls. Balls 'if they're present'.

This is a teaching aid for teenagers which:
Overlooks women's erogenous zones
Says that some boys may not have balls
Includes pictures of FGM and post genital surgery as examples of 'genital variation'

Are the intended beneficiaries of this sex education the children it's being taught to or another group of people altogether?

Exactly. It’s also really revealing because the game is not remotely considering the needs of lesbians, and to call anyone objecting homophobic as earlier posters have, when lesbians aren’t included, well that’s what we’ve all been composing about for some time in the LGBT community.... the L is forgotten. Men, as always, dominate.

@SoManyActivities

I'm a lesbian and would have appreciated this knowledge as a child

Well you would be disappointed then, because it mainly revolves around stuff like putting another person's penis under your foreskin and rubbing bum holes together.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

It's soooo ludicrous.

To use the accusation that people are homophobic, for being concerned about a ‘teaching’ method that completely disregards female pleasure and lesbians, is in itself, homophobic.

@Datun

To describe adults as 'prudes' for thinking that children should never be put in the position where they are vividly describing niche sex acts to their TEACHERS is so deeply troubling.

Paedophiles go to extraordinary lengths to access children. Join the teaching profession, the priesthood, the police, the scouts, date single mothers. They can invest years and years to achieve their object.

Imagine how attractive being a company that specialises in sex education for children would be. It almost doesn't bear thinking about.

Anyone delivering sex education to children needs to be forensically examined. Every single part of their background, material, associations. All of it. They have to be squeakily, antiseptically, spotless.

And it's a terrible failing of our government that they're not doing it.

This with absolute bells on. I'm amazed people cannot see the danger in outsourcing sex education to randoms. Anyone who has anything to do with educating children needs to be subject to stringent checks and safer recruitment processes. The government have failed miserably to safeguard children.

Yes. This with absolute bells on.

@CaveMum

Spot on as usual Datun, you’ve only got to look at a certain prominent human rights activist and his questionable comments on “underage sex” (child abuse I call it). His foundation have positioned themselves as Sex Ed/RSE providers, including advocating for children to be taught how to masturbate.

How this person remains to be held in such high esteem and respect given all the red flags that wave is beyond me.

All that 'prude' stuff is used to pressure people, mainly women, into doing stuff they don't want to do.

Why is it being a prude to care about the safeguarding of children

That is what we are talking about here.

Children

@shreddednips

Absolutely, the implied accusation of homophobia is an attempt to shut down a debate that some posters have made no effort to understand.

The other reason this makes me so angry is that the argument that this serves the needs of gay students is completely false. It perpetuates a harmful stereotype that gay sex is synonymous with kink. This type of 'sex education' serves no one apart from adults who want to blur the established, important boundaries around children and sex that are there to keep children safe.

It also erases lesbian sexuality.

I mentioned homophobia elsewhere because someone said something like 'oh, it's an LGBT charity, figures'. And LGBT people do get accused of being paedophiles and perverts who want to groom kids into our evil ways by shoving our sexuality down their throats (even by doing something innocuous like holding hands).