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AIBU / Selfish to not want to date a single Mum?

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jimmyjammy001 · 30/08/2020 00:16

I am a Male just turned 30, single for couple years, never married, no kids, own house, good job, having drinks with friends tonight and dating subject came up, none of which are dating people who allready have kids, I said not really anyone suitable on online dating as they have children and that is not what I want from a long term relationship, a couple of them (females) said that I am selfish for not dating women who allready have children.

I have done in the past, but it never worked out for me, I allways found it alot of hassle/problematic/dramas. I have met some genuinely nice women but unfortunately it comes down to the kids getting in the way for it not working out, if they were childless then I could see a future.

Some examples are:

Nights in with them and their children causing havoc, not what I or I think any bloke would want on a date night.

I would have to plan my lifestyle around their childcare arrangements, I do shift work and can have Mon, Tues and weds off but they might only have Thurs eve free for a few hours so I would rearrange shifts and then just as the date is going well they will look at their watch and be like it's half 8 I have to go back and relieve the babysitter and put the kids to bed. I like the dates where we can just sit back have drinks til like 11/12 after food then go back to one of our houses.

Holidays have allways been a no go, can only go during summer holidays and pay 4 times the price to somewhere like butlins, never can have weekends away just 2 of us, or last minute date nights, everything has to be planned weeks in advance so childcare can be arranged and sometimes their kids will go sick on the night which means date cancelled.

I want someone who can come out late with me and my friends and not have to dash off early each week and can do couple things as well. If I stay out then it causes arguments.

Staying over theres and usually have their kids jumping up and down on the bed in the morning, not fun!

Weekends if the kids are with them, we have to goto pepper pig World for the day or some animal adventure park and then go to hungry horse and eat rubbish food as it is a child friendly place and listen to kids running around screaming their heads off. Or watch them play football for a few hours, or dance practice. Non of which I can stand.

I suppose as a male with no children I have alot more time on my hands to go and do things on my days off, go on holidays outside of term time, nights and weekends away, camping, playing sports, non of which women with children that I have been with can do, it just allways feels like I am a part time boyfriend as only get to see them once or maybe twice a week, otherwise they are just to busy. I understand their kids need to allways come first and I will allways be second, would just much rather be with someone where we are both each others no 1 and can start a family from scratch not a ready made one.

Looking at longer term one or two I have been with rely heavily on benefits, I don't think I could live with someone else and their kids it would probably drive me insane and also being step dad, but also they're benefits would get recalculated if we were to move in together taking my salary into account which means they would not receive any benefit money and I would have to subsidize / give them over £1000 a month out of my take-home pay, which I really can't see as fair?

Then there is the dramas of the ex, as there is a reason they are not together, so you have to offer sympathy all of the time and agree with them when they talk negatively about the ex, birthdays and Xmas is allways very complicated, where kids should be having to pick them up from different places.

What is quite annoying/hilarious is that some womens dating profiles who have children genuinely can't understand what problems their kids bring to a relationship and will say my kids are my world and if your not man enough to handle them swipe left or it's your problem if you don't like my kids, they will get very defensive and hostile as soon as I mention that I am not interested due to the kids if they have not mentioned they have any previously.

In my opinion the cons far outweigh the pros, Surely I can't be unreasonable for not wanting any of this hassle? My own happiness should be paramount in a relationship, not just get into one to make someone else happy.

OP posts:
jacks11 · 30/08/2020 06:13

Surely you know that it is absolutely ok to decide not to date a woman with children, or anyone else you don’t want to? No need for a long justification- just don’t date them.

You are right that the children will come first and will often place restrictions on your freedom and spontaneity. It will be a different sort of relationship than if you are both childless. It’s fine to decide that’s not for you- better all round that you are clear about your preferences and are upfront about it.

However, you may want to look at your delivery. The way you talk about single mothers is, in some parts, quite derogatory and as though you view yourself as superior to them. You sound a bit supercilious, TBH.

I also question why you posted about this on a site for parents? What were you hoping to gain?

ChangeThePassword · 30/08/2020 06:14

Definitely don't date them.

You clearly don't understand what it is to be a parent (which is fair) but you also want it all your way (want the person to be free to fit in with your schedule even though you say yourself you have more free time, worrying about how their income will affect you even at this stage etc)

You are not selfish to not date them. You are too self-absorbed for it to be worth their while to date you.

haveagoodyear · 30/08/2020 06:14

Some women do put their career and hobbies before relationships so you'll encounter the same problems with a busy child-free woman.

haveagoodyear · 30/08/2020 06:17

Why make a thread anyway?

Seems like you've made a decision under your bridge and not really looking for advice.

Sanjii · 30/08/2020 06:26

totally up to you and completely understandable

I just don't understand why you feel the need for this epic justification.

your life, your choice Smile

GlottalStrop · 30/08/2020 06:30

YANBU at all. But I am slightly sceptical of your choice of forum to ask the question. At best a bit goady.

Blwoingbubbles · 30/08/2020 06:33

I’m a 26 year old single mum and I don’t think you are rude for wanting to date someone on the same page as you.
If I were to be in a relationship again I wouldn’t want to live with the person - it would be a part time thing because I would not want to impact my daughters life with a relationship which I know is very restrictive and for that reason I have accepted I’ll likely be single for a very long time - which is ok!
Everyone has their preferences and you don’t have to choose your partner based on what’s seen as ‘fair’ to everyone. It’s a very personal thing - and dating with children is very restrictive!

paintmegood · 30/08/2020 06:33

Christ that post was really fucking goady, he called us females and he used alot. I think it's fair to say I would never date him anyway.
I'm guessing he's sat in on a Saturday night cranking because no females like him.

On the general point though, I've heard people say that it's selfish and rude not to date single parents. My single parent friends feel very annoyed that they're rejected because they have kids.

My friend got quite pissy about it when she was OLD. All I could think was that she's my friend and I wouldn't date her because it would be so much hassle. For her it's because of issues with her ex mainly and the fact that he rarely has them.

It's often hard trying to schedule dates and trying to get time together. When do you meet the kids? It's absolutely right to say that you need to know each other well and have an established relationship before doing introductions but actually how do you get that if your new partner might not have enough time away from their kids?

Far better to be honest about that and just not do it than see a single parent and resent their kids/fuck it up.

VashtaNerada · 30/08/2020 06:35

Date whoever you like. I personally think that cutting off a huge demographic is a mistake though, as obviously every single mum is unique and you might just have ruled out your ideal woman without knowing it.

Ihave2dogs2cats5dc · 30/08/2020 06:44

I'm sure single mums out there will be just fine without you dating them.
It's the disrespectful way you talk about them rather than just say you only date single women with no children. That is not selfish. And frankly, it IS your problem if you do not like a woman's kids .. how is it not? Of course it's your issue, door wide open you can go elsewhere. Why did you come to a parenting website to say this? Goady fucker.

Ihave2dogs2cats5dc · 30/08/2020 06:45

Actually wanker is perhaps more apt. Hth.

Dogsgowoofwoof · 30/08/2020 06:46

Yanbu. I wouldn’t date a man who had kids.

chubbyhotchoc · 30/08/2020 06:48

No. I wouldn't date anyone with kids if I didn't have them myself and I was under 35. There's plenty of women with no kids you can date

Redraptor · 30/08/2020 06:51

You're not unreasonable and good on you for being so honest upfront. I wouldn't date a man with children unless they were over 18

ImaSababa · 30/08/2020 06:52

YANBU.

lboogy · 30/08/2020 06:52

If you date anyone with kids you're dating their kids too. They come as a package, you have to adjust to them because the kids come first. If you're not prepared for that then don't date them. And there's no reason to feel bad about that.

If I ever become a single mum I wouldn't date a man with no kids or who was young enough to still want to go to clubs and bars.

Ihave2dogs2cats5dc · 30/08/2020 06:53

The arrogance to come up here and tell us on mumsnet that you do not want to date single mums. Oh no single mums are devastated for being such a ruined product that nobody wants oh no 😂🙄🤪

And popcornlover, a woman can end up a single parent because the father died or she 'chose' wrong from being so damaged and traumatised all her life.. yeah 'nasty' single mums who chose a wrong partner indeed... knob.

ChangeThePassword · 30/08/2020 06:53

I personally think that cutting off a huge demographic is a mistake though, as obviously every single mum is unique and you might just have ruled out your ideal woman without knowing it.

Please don't try to make him change his mind. His attitude towards children is so poor that no mother deserves to date someone like him.

DianaT1969 · 30/08/2020 06:54

I'm surprised that you have had so much experience of dating women with children when you're only 30. Are you trawling for dates at the local playground?
Date who you want.
Make sure the one you have children with is in it for life. Otherwise you'll end up a single dad with women swiping past you on dating sites.

Ihave2dogs2cats5dc · 30/08/2020 06:55

@ChangeThePassword

I personally think that cutting off a huge demographic is a mistake though, as obviously every single mum is unique and you might just have ruled out your ideal woman without knowing it.

Please don't try to make him change his mind. His attitude towards children is so poor that no mother deserves to date someone like him.

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Danetobe · 30/08/2020 06:56

YANBU you are allowed to turn down a date/dates on any grounds 🙂

Indoctro · 30/08/2020 06:57

Not selfish is the slightest, if I didn't have children I wouldn't date a man who did

And vise versa now I do have kids if I was ever single again I'd most likely only date a man who already had his own children

As then your are at least on the same page and have a mutal understanding

Your friends are talking nonsense

Mrsdoubtfireswig · 30/08/2020 06:59

Judgemental and harsh generalisations there about single mums.

I’m a single mum, with great career (not on benefits), never been to butlins / hungry horse etc, no ex to contend with.

But yes having kids means there is less spontaneity and I wouldn’t go out all night after a date, as I would want to get back not just for babysitter but so I wouldn’t tired / hungover for my kids the next day

Fair enough if you don’t want to date someone with kids (I didn’t want to date man with kids when I was single before I had mine) but you might want to tone down the judgement and condescension and maybe have a bit of respect for women you want to date - with that attitude no self respecting woman would want to go out you I don’t think - regardless of kids

FWIW I dated a guy who it appeared had similar views to yours - also was worried about being my dcs step dad (not a chance!) He quickly got binned - I had a lucky escape.

Redcups64 · 30/08/2020 06:59

Mainly women in their 30s with no children yet are career focused, intelligent and more experienced all round.
So I doubt you will have much luck in that field as your stereotypical views and knowledge of the benefits system is a bit of a eyebrow raiser Hmm

GlottalStrop · 30/08/2020 07:05

I'm not a single parent but I'm really really attracted to proper paragraphs as opposed to walls of text. Call me fussy.

Is there a pedants' forum I can post on :)

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