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AIBU / Selfish to not want to date a single Mum?

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jimmyjammy001 · 30/08/2020 00:16

I am a Male just turned 30, single for couple years, never married, no kids, own house, good job, having drinks with friends tonight and dating subject came up, none of which are dating people who allready have kids, I said not really anyone suitable on online dating as they have children and that is not what I want from a long term relationship, a couple of them (females) said that I am selfish for not dating women who allready have children.

I have done in the past, but it never worked out for me, I allways found it alot of hassle/problematic/dramas. I have met some genuinely nice women but unfortunately it comes down to the kids getting in the way for it not working out, if they were childless then I could see a future.

Some examples are:

Nights in with them and their children causing havoc, not what I or I think any bloke would want on a date night.

I would have to plan my lifestyle around their childcare arrangements, I do shift work and can have Mon, Tues and weds off but they might only have Thurs eve free for a few hours so I would rearrange shifts and then just as the date is going well they will look at their watch and be like it's half 8 I have to go back and relieve the babysitter and put the kids to bed. I like the dates where we can just sit back have drinks til like 11/12 after food then go back to one of our houses.

Holidays have allways been a no go, can only go during summer holidays and pay 4 times the price to somewhere like butlins, never can have weekends away just 2 of us, or last minute date nights, everything has to be planned weeks in advance so childcare can be arranged and sometimes their kids will go sick on the night which means date cancelled.

I want someone who can come out late with me and my friends and not have to dash off early each week and can do couple things as well. If I stay out then it causes arguments.

Staying over theres and usually have their kids jumping up and down on the bed in the morning, not fun!

Weekends if the kids are with them, we have to goto pepper pig World for the day or some animal adventure park and then go to hungry horse and eat rubbish food as it is a child friendly place and listen to kids running around screaming their heads off. Or watch them play football for a few hours, or dance practice. Non of which I can stand.

I suppose as a male with no children I have alot more time on my hands to go and do things on my days off, go on holidays outside of term time, nights and weekends away, camping, playing sports, non of which women with children that I have been with can do, it just allways feels like I am a part time boyfriend as only get to see them once or maybe twice a week, otherwise they are just to busy. I understand their kids need to allways come first and I will allways be second, would just much rather be with someone where we are both each others no 1 and can start a family from scratch not a ready made one.

Looking at longer term one or two I have been with rely heavily on benefits, I don't think I could live with someone else and their kids it would probably drive me insane and also being step dad, but also they're benefits would get recalculated if we were to move in together taking my salary into account which means they would not receive any benefit money and I would have to subsidize / give them over £1000 a month out of my take-home pay, which I really can't see as fair?

Then there is the dramas of the ex, as there is a reason they are not together, so you have to offer sympathy all of the time and agree with them when they talk negatively about the ex, birthdays and Xmas is allways very complicated, where kids should be having to pick them up from different places.

What is quite annoying/hilarious is that some womens dating profiles who have children genuinely can't understand what problems their kids bring to a relationship and will say my kids are my world and if your not man enough to handle them swipe left or it's your problem if you don't like my kids, they will get very defensive and hostile as soon as I mention that I am not interested due to the kids if they have not mentioned they have any previously.

In my opinion the cons far outweigh the pros, Surely I can't be unreasonable for not wanting any of this hassle? My own happiness should be paramount in a relationship, not just get into one to make someone else happy.

OP posts:
NoGinNotComingIn · 30/08/2020 02:57

Oh, and I hope you have had the snip, because you really wouldn't be a good dad!!!!

Such a silly comment! My husband never dated single mums either. He's a fabulous dad to our children, he just wasn't interested in getting involved in someone else's complicated mess. I was the same, doesn't have any impact on your ability to be a good parent to your own kids down the line.

Daisy12Maisie · 30/08/2020 03:19

Single mum here and higher earner so definitely not all on benefits.
The rest of your post is up to you. You dont need anyone to tell you it's ok. If you dont want to you dont want to.

coffeerice · 30/08/2020 03:55

OP, you can do exactly as you wish. It obviously works the other way too as the single mums wouldn't want to be with someone so anti their lifestyle.
This does beg the question-why are you on a Mums site, on a Saturday night, telling single mums that you don't want them? I don't want to be a nuclear physicist but it's never crossed my mind to go on nuclearphysicist.com and tell the nuclear physicists that I don't want to be one.
Shouldn't you be out on the razzle dazzling the girls with your views?

converseandjeans · 30/08/2020 03:59

YANBU and actually it's better to avoid. What you are saying makes sense.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 30/08/2020 04:06

I don’t think it’s selfish at all. What is selfish, and very common, is to not want to be around someone else’s children or make an effort with them in any way but still want a relationship with the parent.
You’re actually doing the kids a favour 😊

Howallergic · 30/08/2020 04:09

I think it wasn't sadistic enough for the OP to individually reject single mothers on dating websites, so he sought a broader audience here to collectively try to hurt us.

Honey - we are not hurt. We don't have time for people like you. I'm not remotely offended, but I think it's very sad that you're not out on the town pulling all the single women on this saturday night. Instead, you're throwing a bomb in and running on a womens chat forum. Who the hell would want someone like you?

Howallergic · 30/08/2020 04:11

I also suspect the OP feels rejected himself by these women putting their children before him - hence the need to collectively insult us all.
A typical self centred ass really.

oreshina · 30/08/2020 04:12

It is your choice who you date. You don't have to date women with children as if it some selfless, self sacrificing act of altruism.
Your post did give me the giggles! 'Pepper pig' hehe 😋 🌶 🐖 🐷
It's a good thing to know what you want or don't want then you are not wasting your time or anyone else's time.
Good luck 👍

Chocaholic9 · 30/08/2020 04:14

You can date who you like. You don't have to justify your choices to anyone here or in real life.

I have no kids but I date a single dad and it's very tricky. If I were to do things again, I would probably look for someone with no kids.

Chocaholic9 · 30/08/2020 04:18

@KitchenRollHuggers

Oh, and I hope you have had the snip, because you really wouldn't be a good dad!!!!
That's not very nice thing to say.

I can understand why OP would value his freedom at age 30 and not be limited by his partner's domestic life or responsibilities. Presumably he will be constricted himself by more responsibility later on, if he chooses to have kids. So may as well enjoy it now.

Chocaholic9 · 30/08/2020 04:22

But pls don't call us "females". That makes you sound like an incel. Women is fine, thanks.

howlathebees · 30/08/2020 04:24

Don’t thenHmm

heartsonacake · 30/08/2020 04:26

YANBU. As much as we the parents love them, kids are baggage and are a hell of a lot to take on when they’re not yours.

popcornlover · 30/08/2020 05:17

You are not being unreasonable at all. I wouldn’t want that for myself either.

BetsyBigNose · 30/08/2020 05:39

Date whoever you want (if they'll have you). A bit weird and goady coming on Mumsnet to bitch about women with children though...

Still, I hope this has gone some way to filling the lonely hours on your apparently dateless Saturday night.

Why do so many OPs seem to struggle to spell the word 'none' at the moment?

Quire · 30/08/2020 05:47

You’re not being in the least unreasonable not to want to date women with children, but you know that. However, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that all women with children are (a) time and cash-poor, and (b) breathlessly awaiting your call. They really aren’t, OP, because, independently of your desire not to date parents, your post makes you sound like an total idiot.

downwardspiral1 · 30/08/2020 05:48

It’s totally your choice, you don’t need to justify it. You also sound like you would be a nightmare partner for anyone who had kids, so you’re doing single mothers a favour by removing yourself preemptively from the dating pool.

^ this. And what is wrong with saying man and woman instead of male and female?

popcornlover · 30/08/2020 05:48

I think you’re within reason OP, but I would try your comment on another forum as you will just offend all the single women with little kids on here and they will turn nasty. Just because they may have chosen the wrong partners doesn’t mean they should take it out on you for wanting to choose carefully.

downwardspiral1 · 30/08/2020 05:50

Just because they may have chosen the wrong partners doesn’t mean they should take it out on you for wanting to choose carefully.

Hilarious.

DancingCatGif · 30/08/2020 05:51

I am married now but I wouldn't have dated a man with children either.

It's too complicated and too much potential for drama.

As long as you're upfront, I don't see the issue but some women do get offended by it for some reason.

Lincslady53 · 30/08/2020 05:54

Do you live in Manchester? You sound perfect for my 36 year old dsughter. Single, Good job, owns her house, no kids.Smile

CallItLoneliness · 30/08/2020 05:54

You're well within your rights not to date anyone you don't want to date for any reason, and you have at least a modicum of self awareness that you're not a good partner for that situation. I really don't understand why you're engaging with women with children on dating sites, though? Is it just to tell them how undateable they are? No-one would take that well, stop being a dick.

popcornlover · 30/08/2020 06:00

@downwardspiral1
It’s not hilarious for your kids though, is it.

downwardspiral1 · 30/08/2020 06:08

@popcornlover

Even funnier.

Whenwillthisbeover · 30/08/2020 06:08

Course you’re a single 30 year old man looking for approval from a load of women on mumsnet Hmm