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AIBU / Selfish to not want to date a single Mum?

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jimmyjammy001 · 30/08/2020 00:16

I am a Male just turned 30, single for couple years, never married, no kids, own house, good job, having drinks with friends tonight and dating subject came up, none of which are dating people who allready have kids, I said not really anyone suitable on online dating as they have children and that is not what I want from a long term relationship, a couple of them (females) said that I am selfish for not dating women who allready have children.

I have done in the past, but it never worked out for me, I allways found it alot of hassle/problematic/dramas. I have met some genuinely nice women but unfortunately it comes down to the kids getting in the way for it not working out, if they were childless then I could see a future.

Some examples are:

Nights in with them and their children causing havoc, not what I or I think any bloke would want on a date night.

I would have to plan my lifestyle around their childcare arrangements, I do shift work and can have Mon, Tues and weds off but they might only have Thurs eve free for a few hours so I would rearrange shifts and then just as the date is going well they will look at their watch and be like it's half 8 I have to go back and relieve the babysitter and put the kids to bed. I like the dates where we can just sit back have drinks til like 11/12 after food then go back to one of our houses.

Holidays have allways been a no go, can only go during summer holidays and pay 4 times the price to somewhere like butlins, never can have weekends away just 2 of us, or last minute date nights, everything has to be planned weeks in advance so childcare can be arranged and sometimes their kids will go sick on the night which means date cancelled.

I want someone who can come out late with me and my friends and not have to dash off early each week and can do couple things as well. If I stay out then it causes arguments.

Staying over theres and usually have their kids jumping up and down on the bed in the morning, not fun!

Weekends if the kids are with them, we have to goto pepper pig World for the day or some animal adventure park and then go to hungry horse and eat rubbish food as it is a child friendly place and listen to kids running around screaming their heads off. Or watch them play football for a few hours, or dance practice. Non of which I can stand.

I suppose as a male with no children I have alot more time on my hands to go and do things on my days off, go on holidays outside of term time, nights and weekends away, camping, playing sports, non of which women with children that I have been with can do, it just allways feels like I am a part time boyfriend as only get to see them once or maybe twice a week, otherwise they are just to busy. I understand their kids need to allways come first and I will allways be second, would just much rather be with someone where we are both each others no 1 and can start a family from scratch not a ready made one.

Looking at longer term one or two I have been with rely heavily on benefits, I don't think I could live with someone else and their kids it would probably drive me insane and also being step dad, but also they're benefits would get recalculated if we were to move in together taking my salary into account which means they would not receive any benefit money and I would have to subsidize / give them over £1000 a month out of my take-home pay, which I really can't see as fair?

Then there is the dramas of the ex, as there is a reason they are not together, so you have to offer sympathy all of the time and agree with them when they talk negatively about the ex, birthdays and Xmas is allways very complicated, where kids should be having to pick them up from different places.

What is quite annoying/hilarious is that some womens dating profiles who have children genuinely can't understand what problems their kids bring to a relationship and will say my kids are my world and if your not man enough to handle them swipe left or it's your problem if you don't like my kids, they will get very defensive and hostile as soon as I mention that I am not interested due to the kids if they have not mentioned they have any previously.

In my opinion the cons far outweigh the pros, Surely I can't be unreasonable for not wanting any of this hassle? My own happiness should be paramount in a relationship, not just get into one to make someone else happy.

OP posts:
Oysterbabe · 30/08/2020 07:06

Of course yanbu, it's your choice. I wouldn't date someone who had kids either.
You're young enough to go for a childless 25 year old and build a family together so why wouldn't you do that?

BumbleBeeeeeee · 30/08/2020 07:06

Not entirely sure why you felt it necessary to come here and post on mumsnet tbh 😂 have you no friends of your own you can have this chat with?! Date who you want and troll elsewhere!

heartsonacake · 30/08/2020 07:11

@VashtaNerada

Date whoever you like. I personally think that cutting off a huge demographic is a mistake though, as obviously every single mum is unique and you might just have ruled out your ideal woman without knowing it.
I disagree. She’s not his ideal woman if she comes with baggage he’s not interested in dealing with.

We as parents love our children unconditionally, which is exactly why there are so many defensive posts on this thread, because it’s hard for us to envisage other people not wanting anything to do with them.

zigaziga · 30/08/2020 07:12

When I was single I wouldn’t have dated men with kids.

cantarina · 30/08/2020 07:13

Fair enough if you don’t want to date someone with kids (I didn’t want to date man with kids when I was single before I had mine) but you might want to tone down the judgement and condescension and maybe have a bit of respect for women you want to date - with that attitude no self respecting woman would want to go out you I don’t think - regardless of kids

You are setting out with your ideas of women but very quick to judge when women display their annoyance that you don't want to date women with kids. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, including those women and you. You also seem to have a set idea of how it all shakes down. Not every woman has a fractious relationship with her ex, many have EOW custody so weekends away are definitely on the cards and if kids are a little older a lot of freedom opens up and very little peppa pig is involved (if you are looking for something longer term this will kick in after a few years anyhow).

I suspect you don't want kids yourself. Don't string people along on this front. There is no harm in being truthful and seeking a partner who actively chooses the lifestyle you want too, you just might find that there is less to choose from though.

Northernsoullover · 30/08/2020 07:13

@popcornlover

I think you’re within reason OP, but I would try your comment on another forum as you will just offend all the single women with little kids on here and they will turn nasty. Just because they may have chosen the wrong partners doesn’t mean they should take it out on you for wanting to choose carefully.
Really? I think most people have agreed with him. Perhaps not the responses he was looking for. I'm a lone parent and I agree dating was shite. I could never guarantee when I'd be free (useless father didn't ever have the kids overnight). I've also been broke and relied on benefits which was also shite but that isn't the case now. Luckily I met someone who also has children but if that were to end I wouldn't date anyone with younger children again. There is nothing wrong whatsoever with not wanting to date a lone parent. What is dickish is lumping us all together as Butlin loving Hungry Horse diners. The food isn't great in a Hungry Horse and I've never been to Butlins.
GlottalStrop · 30/08/2020 07:13

I feel really sorry for your brother's girlfriend if that's what you think of her bez91.

DipSwimSwoosh · 30/08/2020 07:16

Your choice. You really don't like children.

Doingitaloneandproud · 30/08/2020 07:17

Haha if you've got everything going for you, you don't need to come to MUMSNET (clue in the name as what a high % of people are) and announce you don't want to date single mums.

Date whoever you want, but maybe knock down the judgement about single mums, you sound like a twat Smile

OptimisticSix · 30/08/2020 07:21

Are you sure they have to go to relieve the baby sitter? Grin

LemonGraber · 30/08/2020 07:21

I don't think you should. It wouldn't be fair on you or them.

Kiki275 · 30/08/2020 07:26

I was fully up for saying YANBU, as it would be selfish leading a single mother on if you know it's not for you.... however, YABVU in your reasoning. You could have given the gist of things without a whole essay on what single mothers can't do for you. A simple "their kids will always understandably be a priority and I'd like someone who can be a bit more spontaneous with their time" would do.
It's your reasoning that makes you selfish. Are you sure you haven't misheard what the unfortunate mums you dated told you?

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2020 07:26

he called us females and he used alot

molifly14 · 30/08/2020 07:29

Thanks for just pointing out to a large number of single mums why they are so undesirable

Brieminewine · 30/08/2020 07:31

Not unreasonable at all, I fully agree. When I was single and child free I wouldn’t have dated a man with children as I wanted that experience to be a first for us both.

garlictwist · 30/08/2020 07:32

I am a woman with no kids and in a relationship now, but when I was dating I said I didn't want to date any men with children. I remember one guy I went on a date with told me he had kids and I said thanks but no thanks and he bombarded me with loads of rude messages (saying "he didn't really see them anyway - like that makes it any better!)

I think other people's children complicate and change a relationship and I just didn't want that. It's fine for you to feel that way too.

Suzi888 · 30/08/2020 07:34

YANBU it’s your life! Your choice. I wouldn’t want to date someone with kids either.
I think you’ve done the right thing to make a conscious choice in advance, rather than dumping someone because of their children.

PinkSparkleUnicorns · 30/08/2020 07:36

When I was single I wouldn't have wanted to date anyone with kids either. Having said that, I was only 19. In my 30s now I might feel differently. I imagine I would be looking more long term, for someone I really get on with. After an extra decade of partying and doing what I want whenever I want I would probably have it out of my system and be more open to trying to take on 'step kids'.

If I were single again I'd have a huge house worth £500k that I own outright. DH and I have worked our asses off for years to provide this for our family. If we split exDH would move out and leave me and the kids with the house. Should you get to move in and have that handed out to you for free? We own a villa in South France, which we holiday in every year. On some nights we use a nannying service so the kids are looked after when we're there and have 'us' time. I doubt you'd turn your nose up at that? After all those years thinking only of yourself and partying whenever you want and not putting anyone else first, why should you now get a stable, wealthy, hard working, well brought up family handed to you on a plate?

Why on earth did you post on here? The digs about benefits and butlins make you just sound goady. I personally wouldn't want to date you based solely on those comments, you're stereotyping make you sound like a bit of a dick.

ChangeThePassword · 30/08/2020 07:36

It wouldn't be fair on you or them

Mostly them.

I wonder if he has misunderstood.

Maybe the person wasn't saying he was selfish not to consider dating single parents (like he's some prize that single parents would be clamouring over).

Instead maybe they were saying that he is just too selfish and for that reason, shouldn't date single parents. That makes more sense based on what has been posted here.

Of course there is another reason that would also make more sense, but I don't think I'm allowed to say that here.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 30/08/2020 07:37

@popcornlover er, I'm a single mother and I'm not offended by who wants to date me or not. Most of us couldn't care less. Your judgemental comments about "choosing carefully" are a bit fucking rude though.

Crystal87 · 30/08/2020 07:44

It's fine for you not to want to date children. I have children and if I was single I wouldn't want to date a man with kids, as my kids are enough to handle. But don't assume that all men are the same as you. There are some wonderful men out there that are capable of loving children as their own and ready to become part of a family and my husband is one of them.

ChangeThePassword · 30/08/2020 07:46

It's fine for you not to want to date children

Totally agree with this. Not sure that's what he was asking though. 😉

PinkSparkleUnicorns · 30/08/2020 07:48

*Maybe the person wasn't saying he was selfish not to consider dating single parents (like he's some prize that single parents would be clamouring over).

Instead maybe they were saying that he is just too selfish and for that reason, shouldn't date single parents.*

Yes, this.

Biker47 · 30/08/2020 07:49

I wouldn't date someone with kids either.

Beautiful3 · 30/08/2020 07:51

Of course you're not being unreasonable, its your choice. You're only 30 so the chances of meeting a lady without children are reasonable. However if you're still single in 10 years time, then think you'll find it difficult to find.

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