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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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DysonFury · 24/08/2020 17:51

Getting her banned from a COUNTRY?! Good work OP!

MrsOldma · 24/08/2020 17:52

Surely no border force/security agency in the world is going to get involved in a family dispute???? She’s banned for threatening to breach your privacy so if she’s made that threat once she could do it again and surely no one would take that risk. I think asking to have the decision reversed is ludicrous and paints you in an unprofessional, risky light. What a ridiculous situation.

Cut your losses, go NC with her and if your DN wants to do the same then support him in that

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 17:53

You have a senior position in a diplomatic/security role and you tell your life story on MN.

Crack on.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 24/08/2020 17:54

I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country.
Leave it to the government and let the ban stand for your family's safety!
She sounds mentally unbalanced and therefore a danger to you and your family. You have accepted your DH's nephew into your home and are providing for him. That should be enough for your FIL.

Venicelover · 24/08/2020 17:55

Posting on here is very ill-advised OP.

Surely, if you are in a senior role you make difficult decisions every day? This is one of them.

Cheeeeislifenow · 24/08/2020 17:55

Uh huh.

ScottishDream · 24/08/2020 17:56

This needs to go on r/ProRevenge.

I'd refuse to try and get it reversed. She got herself banned by her actions.

Nicknacky · 24/08/2020 17:56

Surely age can still reveal your address on the Internet from the county she lives in?

And it’s it’s so secret squirrel, why are you posting identifying info on mumsnet?

VettiyaIruken · 24/08/2020 17:56

Well, if someone was in this situation, the sensible thing to do would be to say to the husband that she must first prove herself before a decision can be made.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:58

@MrsOldma

Surely no border force/security agency in the world is going to get involved in a family dispute???? She’s banned for threatening to breach your privacy so if she’s made that threat once she could do it again and surely no one would take that risk. I think asking to have the decision reversed is ludicrous and paints you in an unprofessional, risky light. What a ridiculous situation.

Cut your losses, go NC with her and if your DN wants to do the same then support him in that

I agree, and won't ask to reverse the decision at all. I'm just upset that it's causing issues with DH, who understands but also feels very sorry for his sister. I can empathise with her, but she really went for the big guns with this, and put me in a corner. I think we should talk to DN, but I don't know how to do that when both DH and I are currently not on the same page with this.
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AriettyHomily · 24/08/2020 17:58

You don't sound very security conscious!

LadyFrumpington · 24/08/2020 17:59

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

You have a senior position in a diplomatic/security role and you tell your life story on MN.

Crack on.

Yep. This in bucket loads...
AnotherEmma · 24/08/2020 18:00

Bloody hell OP she sounds completely and utterly batshit. (I have pretty bad in-laws but I think you win, not that anyone wants to win this particular competition.)

YANBU not to try and get her ban lifted. She has to realise that there are consequences to her vile actions. I hope you have blocked her on all channels - do so now if you haven't.

If I were you I'd be focused on DH and ensuring that the two of you are on the same page about this, that he isn't going to blame you or tolerate any abuse from his family towards you. It sounds as if he is somewhat detached from them but not completely - the FOG probably runs deep. So if there is any risk of marital disharmony between you, caused by his family, I strongly recommend that you both read the Susan Forward books (toxic parents and toxic in-laws) because even though they're about parents, and your main problem is the sister, the books are still helpful.

On a practical note i think you do need to tell the nephew about the ban and the reasons why, as neutrally and factually as possible.

PrayingandHoping · 24/08/2020 18:00

YOU didn't get her banned, u never asked or suggested for it to happen

U had to report it due to the nature of your work. She knew what she was doing when she threatened to do it, she just didn't know the consequences

If the country have gone this far and I can't see them giving 2 hoots what u think about it. What's done is done

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:01

@Venicelover

Posting on here is very ill-advised OP.

Surely, if you are in a senior role you make difficult decisions every day? This is one of them.

I don't think it's ill advised at all, in terms of my own anonymity. I'm fairly open about what I do, within bounds of my own comfort - but not my address. I think that's a reasonable distinction. I would like some advice on how to handle my DN's feelings in all of this, and as someone who makes difficult decisions, I know that seeking opinions and experiences from others tends to make better decisions in the end.
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StillCoughingandLaughing · 24/08/2020 18:01

Tell your husband that overturning a government decision is way, WAY beyond your capabilities - and thank yourself lucky you’re rid of the crackpot.

Finkelbraun · 24/08/2020 18:03

Wow, I wish I could get my SIL banned from the country.

Brokensunrise · 24/08/2020 18:04

Hmmm. Surprising that if you are in a senior position in this field that you would include so much identifying information in this post..........

TheKeatingFive · 24/08/2020 18:04

Great thread OP Grin

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 24/08/2020 18:04

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

You have a senior position in a diplomatic/security role and you tell your life story on MN.

Crack on.

Grin
StottieAndSoup · 24/08/2020 18:04

@Finkelbraun

Wow, I wish I could get my SIL banned from the country.
Me too!
Hellbentwellwent · 24/08/2020 18:04

Pmsl... here for the deletion message

Elieza · 24/08/2020 18:05

She’s not nice and mentally unstable. Block her on all your social media. If DH wants to speak to her that’s his choice.

She’s made her bed.

If she didn’t want banned she shouldn’t have done what she did. She’s a twisted individual, endangering not just you but children, including her own.

Tell the nephew that you had to report her as she was threatening all your safety and you didn’t ask for the ban, security did. You told the truth. They made the decision. Not you. He’s always welcome at yours and he can obviously go and see her in the country she is in and come back to yours.
Sorry it’s worked out this way nephew but I’ve asked about the chance of the ban being immediately lifted and they thought it would be impossible. Perhaps we could try again to have it lifted in a few years.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:05

@Nicknacky

Surely age can still reveal your address on the Internet from the county she lives in?

And it’s it’s so secret squirrel, why are you posting identifying info on mumsnet?

She could still do that, but it would carry serious penalties in the country she lives in. Now she's issued the threat, she would likely be held immediately responsible if it happens.

I don't want my address known to people, and I don't put it on Mumsnet...

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Polnm · 24/08/2020 18:05

And such an interesting user name

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