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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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Nicknacky · 24/08/2020 18:05

If your work is so government protected and your safety could be at risk, you shouldn’t be posting any info on the internet which gives details of you and your family.

yolio · 24/08/2020 18:05

Roll eyes....

Why would anyone post such stuff for all to see. Get a grip OP and use your aptitude as a senior security officer to leave this issue alone and move on. Toxic if true, so best to back off.

dwiz8 · 24/08/2020 18:06

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KnightmareDog · 24/08/2020 18:06

Wow which Embassy/Diplomatic team has this power?

OneForMeToo · 24/08/2020 18:07

I just really him it’s out of your hands that you can ask but ultimately nothing you say or so will change the fact she basically committed a crime to the country and as such they have banned her from entry.

I presume you shall be moving house and making sure she does not know the new address.

ChicCroissant · 24/08/2020 18:07
Hmm
purplecorkheart · 24/08/2020 18:07

You are not going to be able to get an International Ban lifted realistically and it would look entirely unprofessional to do so. Your dh is scared of his Dad. Just tell them that it is a government issue.I would request this thread be removed to be honest. It is very identifying.

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NewAndImprovedNorks · 24/08/2020 18:08
Hmm
Kaiserin · 24/08/2020 18:08

YABU for posting this on Mumsnet. If true, sounds very identifiable.
A bit careless of you as a diplomat, quite frankly.

TW2013 · 24/08/2020 18:08

If the ban is irreversible and she has your address then she has no incentive not to reveal your address. I would probably be planning to move to be honest.

Livingtothefull · 24/08/2020 18:08

It is your decision, however imo is nothing in your post that suggests a good reason why you would seek to reverse the ban.

If you do so at all, presumably you would need to have legitimate grounds. However, you say that if she had carried out her threats she would have put your family directly at risk; also, that you don't trust her to commit to not repeating this so couldn't claim in good faith that she wouldn't.

If your DN or FIL dispute this you explain that she gave you no choice but to report her conduct when she threatened to put you at risk, and that the decision to ban her was made without your involvement. I appreciate it is upsetting for your DH but imo you would need a much more compelling reason to seek to overturn this ban than that some family members could be unhappy with it.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:09

@AnotherEmma

Bloody hell OP she sounds completely and utterly batshit. (I have pretty bad in-laws but I think you win, not that anyone wants to win this particular competition.)

YANBU not to try and get her ban lifted. She has to realise that there are consequences to her vile actions. I hope you have blocked her on all channels - do so now if you haven't.

If I were you I'd be focused on DH and ensuring that the two of you are on the same page about this, that he isn't going to blame you or tolerate any abuse from his family towards you. It sounds as if he is somewhat detached from them but not completely - the FOG probably runs deep. So if there is any risk of marital disharmony between you, caused by his family, I strongly recommend that you both read the Susan Forward books (toxic parents and toxic in-laws) because even though they're about parents, and your main problem is the sister, the books are still helpful.

On a practical note i think you do need to tell the nephew about the ban and the reasons why, as neutrally and factually as possible.

I'll take a look at the book, thank you for the recommendation. I think you're right about my nephew too, I just feel a bit sick, I don't want him to feel like he's upset his mum - it's not his fault at all. I thought we were doing the right thing, and it all escalated so fast.
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ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 18:09

OP, hun, none of us put out addresses on MN.
Have you been watching the reruns of Spooks and had a nap and woken up all discombobulated thinking you're with Harry over the Thames?
Have a cup of tea, you'll feel better soon.

Soontobe60 · 24/08/2020 18:09

Sorry, but this is nonsense. No way are you a senior person in diplomacy/security posting on MN! You’ve supposedly seen this woman a handful of times in 5 years! Also, your ‘dn’ most likely can’t stay in a country that he’s a citizen of. You’re being very dismissive of mental health illness too.

Lardlizard · 24/08/2020 18:09

If it’s all that too secret I’m suprised you are allowed to post it on here! Will probably end up in the daily mail !

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Choccylips · 24/08/2020 18:09

So her son is now grown up and can see her for what she is and hates her. Don't give her the time of day or acknowledge her messages in any way. You will never get any thanks from this nasty piece of work so don't bother trying.

frazzledasarock · 24/08/2020 18:10

Surely she can still release your address on the internet regardless of where she personally lives?

How does banning her from your country prevent that?

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ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 18:12

Yeah, the internet kind of works cross border.
Perhaps the SIL is going to do a dead letter drop in a rainy park in Berlin. Or Warsaw.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:12

@Elieza

She’s not nice and mentally unstable. Block her on all your social media. If DH wants to speak to her that’s his choice.

She’s made her bed.

If she didn’t want banned she shouldn’t have done what she did. She’s a twisted individual, endangering not just you but children, including her own.

Tell the nephew that you had to report her as she was threatening all your safety and you didn’t ask for the ban, security did. You told the truth. They made the decision. Not you. He’s always welcome at yours and he can obviously go and see her in the country she is in and come back to yours.
Sorry it’s worked out this way nephew but I’ve asked about the chance of the ban being immediately lifted and they thought it would be impossible. Perhaps we could try again to have it lifted in a few years.

I hope he can see that I didn't decide this myself, but equally, he's sort of stuck here due to the lack of flights if he does want to leave. We sponsor his visa, so he can remain here for as long as he likes, but it's difficult for him to go home. I'm going to note down the suggestions I'm receiving for how to broach this with DN and will talk to my DH about it in the morning.
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Mummyoflittledragon · 24/08/2020 18:12

@Finkelbraun

Wow, I wish I could get my SIL banned from the country.
And me!
Port1aCastis · 24/08/2020 18:13

Diplomacy surely doesn't mean airing your laundry online