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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:14

@OneForMeToo

I just really him it’s out of your hands that you can ask but ultimately nothing you say or so will change the fact she basically committed a crime to the country and as such they have banned her from entry.

I presume you shall be moving house and making sure she does not know the new address.

So my DH thinks we need to inform her of new addresses, as her son is with us. I don't think we can do this, because we could end up in a situation of continual moving. Our children already have a lot of upheaval on a regular basis, so I don't want to unnecessarily add to that. I think he's an adult, so we don't have to inform her. I think he does sort of understand this though, so hopefully we can remove this as an option for her to tell others about.
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NerrSnerr · 24/08/2020 18:16

If you work in a senior position in a security related service you would not be posting this on MN.

InDeoEstMeaFiducia · 24/08/2020 18:16

I LOVE this thread! It's such a refreshing change from all the Covid shit. This is why better than hurting flies.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/08/2020 18:17

Surely you tell your dn straight? His mum loves him but her threats to expose you and your family were something you had to report for everyone’s safety. Unfortunately the consequences are that she is banned from the country and will be held accountable in her home country if she makes any attempt to reveal your location. Then maybe you suggest he reaches out to her as she is probably in a really bad place.

TheKeatingFive · 24/08/2020 18:17

I would watch this telenovela, yes.

Innovative market research technique, OP. Well done.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:17

I haven't changed my username for this post. I've given details I feel comfortable giving, and that's my decision. Nothing I've given is identifiable to anyone other than the people involved, none of whom go on this website. If you want to dispute this post, contact MN, because I have a long posting history. I just want some advice about my nephew and my husband, I'm away from home and upset at what is happening, and I think I'm allowed to ask for some support and guidance from other people. If you don't like it, please feel free to ignore.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 24/08/2020 18:17

Cross post. He’s an adult. She doesn’t need to know your address.

Coffeecak3 · 24/08/2020 18:17

Surely sil only needs her son’s phone number if he’s an adult. If she can’t enter the country what use would the address be?

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JaJaDingDong · 24/08/2020 18:20

People must know your address though. The DCs' school for instance. And do you never order stuff on line? Nor get letters, bank statements, voting papers, anything through the post?

BoomBoomsCousin · 24/08/2020 18:20

How would your country insist on consequences for her if she posts your address if she lives in another country? What sort of cross-jurisdictional power is that?

I wouldn’t be prepared to ask for any ban to be lifted because I’d be pleased she couldn’t visit me from a personal perspective. But I don’t see how that ban in any way protects you from the serious security breach she has threatened. If anything it puts you in a weaker position because she has much less to lose If the ban is in place and permanent even if she does nothing.

Regardless, in terms of dealing with the requests by your family to put pressure on your government to lift the ban - you could just say you will do all that you can but actually not do anything.

MotherofTerriers · 24/08/2020 18:21

Can you not say that you'll investigate getting it reversed. Then in a few months time say sorry, nothing you can do.
Then your husband can mollify his family by saying you did what you could.
If your nephew is staying with you because of his mum's behaviour, he may not be too bothered - he can visit her once flights are available

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:21

@Mummyoflittledragon

Surely you tell your dn straight? His mum loves him but her threats to expose you and your family were something you had to report for everyone’s safety. Unfortunately the consequences are that she is banned from the country and will be held accountable in her home country if she makes any attempt to reveal your location. Then maybe you suggest he reaches out to her as she is probably in a really bad place.
This is really good advice, thank you. I agree that having his phone number, email or whatever else they use to stay in touch is more relevant and important than an address she can't get to anyway.

I do want to say, I'm sorry if I come across as dismissive of her mental health - I really don't mean to do so. I do care about her wellbeing, but we don't know much about it as she doesn't share, so we only know what we hear from MiL and my nephew.

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ZooKeeper19 · 24/08/2020 18:21

@sergeilavrov I would not try and reverse anything. I guess you're somewhere that has very specific rules on visa/enter/exit so it would be difficult to even try.

She does not seem trustworthy with anything, can you somehow make sure that you are safe, move, change address and not give it to her? That may be something to think about.

Difficult spot for you, but ultimately you need to think about your family. Why would your DH want to stay connected with her and try for you to get the decision reversed? That sounds weird, why would he think it's a good idea?

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 18:21

Well, she hasn't changed her username, that's true.
So she also posts all over MN about her family, her children's university, her old job, her new job etc etc.
I'm surprised given the "security"aspect that seems so important how much personal info is all over MN.

boltzmannbrains · 24/08/2020 18:21

settles down with popcorn

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 24/08/2020 18:22

OMG - the power
Getting someone you don't like banned from the country - awesome!

& she's said your children will hate you when they grow up? is she aware that her son is so desperate to get away from her he'd prefer to live in a war zone like Lebanon than be with her?

iklboo · 24/08/2020 18:22

As he's an adult it's up to him what contact he has, when, why & how. She doesn't need your address.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:23

@JaJaDingDong

People must know your address though. The DCs' school for instance. And do you never order stuff on line? Nor get letters, bank statements, voting papers, anything through the post?
We actually don't get post, in the normal sense. It's pretty standard here (so not because I'm a 'secret squirrel' as someone so eloquently put it), as things developed so fast the postal system got stuck behind. FedEx/DHL etc. deliver to our PO Box or to our office addresses. Everything else goes online, and the school have our contact numbers, email addresses and office addresses.
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Mothership4two · 24/08/2020 18:24

Grin Grin

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 24/08/2020 18:24

I was impressed when I walked into a bar in a different country 15 years later and was met with “OMG it’s you”.

To my knowledge I’ve never been banned from a country proper. Although I do get twitchy around Interpol.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:26

@BoomBoomsCousin

How would your country insist on consequences for her if she posts your address if she lives in another country? What sort of cross-jurisdictional power is that?

I wouldn’t be prepared to ask for any ban to be lifted because I’d be pleased she couldn’t visit me from a personal perspective. But I don’t see how that ban in any way protects you from the serious security breach she has threatened. If anything it puts you in a weaker position because she has much less to lose If the ban is in place and permanent even if she does nothing.

Regardless, in terms of dealing with the requests by your family to put pressure on your government to lift the ban - you could just say you will do all that you can but actually not do anything.

Many countries in the region have laws about revealing personal information on the internet, and the crime is charged in terms of where the poster is - not the victim. I think saying I've done what I can is probably easiest in terms of extended family, just need to calmly explain to DH that I'm not going to try. I'm a bit worried he'll think it's because I don't like her, but I genuinely don't think it would make any difference to her status, and would probably make me look an idiot.
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FizzyGreenWater · 24/08/2020 18:26

If this is true -

I would say it's now vitally important that you DON'T give your SIL your new address. If there is ever an issue, you want to be able to say -credibly - that no, Idiot Woman didn't even have the address and that it was an empty, if very very stupid, threat.

You and your DH are not on the same page with this? Well, he needs to get on the page, sharpish. She's been utterly idiotic.

BlueJava · 24/08/2020 18:26

YANBU to not exert any pressure to lesson the ban. I think in your position it would not be reasonable to try - could mark you out.

Venicelover · 24/08/2020 18:27

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

Well, she hasn't changed her username, that's true. So she also posts all over MN about her family, her children's university, her old job, her new job etc etc. I'm surprised given the "security"aspect that seems so important how much personal info is all over MN.
How do you research previous posts?