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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:46

So it seems most people agree, my DH needs to respect the decision instead of badgering me to attempt an ill-fated intervention and stick up to her. The advice I've received in terms of getting in first, making sure DN in particular has the facts is really good - I'm going to get the ball rolling in the morning. I'll also speak to DH and suggest speaking to FiL now as a way of protecting his sanity, and hopefully that will get him on board a bit more. Absolutely no way will she get our updated details either, I feel sick with worry and DN's details are more than sufficient.

My DH is a good husband, and father, not sure why he's being so weird about this. As for winning the MN jackpot, doesn't feel like it right now @TSSDNCOP but maybe I'll feel luckier once DH and I make up and hopefully DN still feels like he has a home with us.

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 24/08/2020 18:47

@FizzyGreenWater

If this is true -

I would say it's now vitally important that you DON'T give your SIL your new address. If there is ever an issue, you want to be able to say -credibly - that no, Idiot Woman didn't even have the address and that it was an empty, if very very stupid, threat.

You and your DH are not on the same page with this? Well, he needs to get on the page, sharpish. She's been utterly idiotic.

I agree with this. And I think you need to clearly ask your nephew not to give her the new address (if you move and he goes with you).
hastingsmua1 · 24/08/2020 18:48

That should say releasing*

katy1213 · 24/08/2020 18:48

Are you related to that bloke down the pub who's in the SAS?

BoggledBudgie · 24/08/2020 18:48
Hmm
LoveSummerNotIcecream · 24/08/2020 18:49

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AnotherEmma · 24/08/2020 18:50

@TSSDNCOP

I do believe you have hit the Mumsnet jackpot OP in having an in-law banned from an entire country.

Well-played OP, bravo!

Grin
bettsbattenburg · 24/08/2020 18:51

Maybe she was upset because you didn't serve ferrero rocher on a silver platter?

Seriously though OP, what a nightmare you've been through.

FizzyGreenWater · 24/08/2020 18:52

But no, your DH shouldn't get the fallout.

It sounds as if once your SIL was so stupid as to make a threat like that, it was all completely out of your hands.

If you had not reported it you would have compromised your own job.

She did this to herself and your DH should be crystal clear about that to your father. In fact she deserves an absolute roasting from him: is this the way she repays her brother taking care of her son for all of this time? I suggest your DH decides that attack is the best form of defence here!

Genevieva · 24/08/2020 18:53

I would imagine it would be deeply unprofessional for you to interfere in any way, so unfortunately your hands are tied. Such a shame.

isabellerossignol · 24/08/2020 18:54

This might be the best thread I've ever read. For many reasons. Grin

butterpuffed · 24/08/2020 18:54

Unusual username, OP Hmm

TheReynoldsPamphlet · 24/08/2020 18:58

I have nothing to add to the advice given by other posters, but is there any way you could get my SIL banned from the country too?

Bluntness100 · 24/08/2020 18:59

Curious, how does banning her from the country protect you by stopping her revealing Your address on line.

Enquiring minds need to know.

FelicityPike · 24/08/2020 18:59

Belter 🍿

Pantsomime · 24/08/2020 18:59

Side step OP - tell DH professional security decision made & you can’t question it.
Tell DH he’s an adult and to speak to SIL
Tell DN he’s is and adult and to speak to SIL his DM and just you keep out of it
Total drama just avoid - she created it and it escalated.

forrestgreen · 24/08/2020 18:59

"Dsil, sadly your last email regarding releasing our families address has caused an investigation as you have proposed put the whole families safety in jeopardy. They have decided that you will be banned from the country. I've made sure your son has your phone number and email address and is able to contact you at will. We have been banned from sharing our address with you, I hope you can understand why. Best wishes"

Dn, sadly your mum has done something very stupid, she was understandably upset about you not returning home, and threatened to release our address. Due to my job, the authorities have banned her from the country and she can't know our new address. We're loving having you here and you're welcome as long as you like, but can you appreciate why she can't know it?

Dh, your sister has been rude and abusive in the past, I've tried to work with her for the benefit of the relationship between you two. But having threatened the security of our family, I've drawn the line. She can't know our address, including any family who will give it to her. Feel free to visit her anytime. If you'd like you can say that we've tried to get the decision overturned but I won't be getting involved in that.

Frownette · 24/08/2020 19:00

Umm...

JingsMahBucket · 24/08/2020 19:02

@sergeilavrov I would get the country of your MIL's residence pulled from your original post. That itself is rather outing. The rest could stand alone.

SerendipityJane · 24/08/2020 19:02

Just posting for the deletion Smile

SoulofanAggron · 24/08/2020 19:03

YANBU. Given her habitual behaviour, you can't trust her to behave in any way.

lifesalongsong · 24/08/2020 19:04

@ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress

Yeah, the internet kind of works cross border. Perhaps the SIL is going to do a dead letter drop in a rainy park in Berlin. Or Warsaw.
I heard on the radio recently that spies are reverting to written communication to avoid electronic hacking so you could well be right Grin
JingsMahBucket · 24/08/2020 19:05

People need to stop troll hunting. The OP has been around MN with this username for a while and posts regularly. @MNHQ even posted on this thread to stop troll hunting. That means this post is legit for the most part.

MrsSchadenfreude · 24/08/2020 19:05

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Chocaholic9 · 24/08/2020 19:08

YANBU.