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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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OP posts:
ARoseInHarlem · 24/08/2020 23:37

If this is true: you knew exactly what would happen when you reported your SIL to your boss, so I think soon your DN will get the measure of you.

Someone9 · 24/08/2020 23:48

I really enjoyed that story!

Can't wait for the sequel Grin

squeekums · 25/08/2020 00:53

when does it hit cinemas? been a lack of good movies lately

seayork2020 · 25/08/2020 00:58

I have been watching rerun Spooks i had a feeling it might be coming back

nachthexe · 25/08/2020 04:13

@SecretSpAD

My husband nearly got banned from Russia once. He's very proud of it and tells everyone. Grin
Um. Whole swathes of folk have lists of countries they aren’t allowed to visit because of their involvement. But equally, some people get recruited specifically because of countries they HAVE visited. Lol.
nachthexe · 25/08/2020 04:17

Involvement? Employment lol

BadLad · 25/08/2020 04:17

The most exciting thing to happen to me yesterday was that I went to the supermarket to buy a lettuce, but they didn't have any.

I have to live vicariously through people like the OP.

nachthexe · 25/08/2020 04:17

I do miss spooks though.

SummerPoppies · 25/08/2020 04:49

I've just bobbed back in to let you all know that it's raining.

ineedaholiday123 · 25/08/2020 05:15

So bizarre

DianaT1969 · 25/08/2020 05:42

Hysterical thread. Are they giving out top security/diplomatic jobs in crisp packets now?
My cat has more discretion than the OP.
The details! SIL doesn't just have a failed business. It's a failed fashion business. Anyone working in a diplomatic office abroad, who has a colleague whose nephew recently came to live with them now knows that the OP airs all her family laundry on an internet forum. One that the Daily Fail habitually picks up stories from every couple of days.
Anyone who knows a failed fashion business owner whose son recently went to live with her brother abroad now knows the full story of her dinner party behaviour.
Settling in with my popcorn.
I'm keen to see how SIL discovers she is banned. Is it a country that Brits have to apply for a visa in advance or will she be turned away at the airport on arrival?

feesh · 25/08/2020 05:51

I’m guessing from your later posts that you’re in the Middle East and you’re either working for the British embassy in a security role or for the locals as a contractor. It was protocol for you to report the threat, and the local machine has swung into action and I do actually believe you that she can’t come back into the country now (knowing what I know).

But I can’t believe you’ve posted it on here - from your latest post I can guess you’re in one of 3 countries. The embassy family in each one is pretty small and everyone knows everyone here and therefore you are actually pretty identifiable. You need to get this deleted. Before your career is!

TheWayOfTheWorld · 25/08/2020 05:53

@knittingaddict

You have a senior position in a diplomatic/security role and you tell your life story on MN.

Crack on.

I must admit that I read as far as that part and stopped reading. Shock

Why can't people from all walks of life post on here? OP is still a person with relationship issues like everyone else. Just because she has a "secret squirrel" job that doesn't mean she isn't entitled to seek advice - there was speculation the other day about what famous people may be posting on here, how is this any different? Hmm
TheWayOfTheWorld · 25/08/2020 05:55

@Longwhiskers14

Surely you've breached your own security posting here? So many identifying details when you add them together, including where your MIL lives.
Ever heard of people subtly changing details to ensure that they aren't identifiable?
SummerPoppies · 25/08/2020 06:24

I'm having crunchy nutters for breakfast.
And it's still raining.

DancingCatGif · 25/08/2020 06:27

Another one lining uo to geg my MIL banned from my country right now.

My SIL and FIL totally fine but my MIL...

SonEtLumiere · 25/08/2020 06:57

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

makingmammaries · 25/08/2020 07:06

OP, I can imagine your position as it overlaps with my own work situation. The ban was decided high up and I agree that if you ask about getting it reversed (which it won’t be) you will cause, at the very least, annoyance at work.

MumInBrussels · 25/08/2020 07:19

If you're in this kind of a role, surely there are people in your employing organisation who can give advice on this kind of situation - and, in fact, probably people you're required to discuss these kind of security issues with? You won't be the only person with batshit relatives (see, for example, pissed-off ex-spouses) and there is bound to be a system for handling it, even if that means moving you to a new flat, or cutting your tour short and relocating to a new country or back home. I'm not sure why you think Mumsnet is better qualified to give you advice, in the circumstances...

JaJaDingDong · 25/08/2020 07:36

The most exciting thing to happen to me yesterday was that I went to the supermarket to buy a lettuce, but they didn't have any.

Sainsbury's didn't have any tinned sweetcorn. Not one tin.
Are people stocking up for the second wave?

HeronLanyon · 25/08/2020 07:45

Well there was an awful headline yesterday ‘government downplays fears of food and water shortages’ - was either evening standard or BBC. Basically fears of convergence of brexit madness and coronavirus. Must admit when I read it thought ‘oh god not those brexit/Covid boxes AGAIN’. Mine were flimsy Argos fabric things. I may have to restock the boxes themselves they’ve had so much use !
Oops wrong thread ??!!

BarbaraofSeville · 25/08/2020 08:27

Are people stocking up for the second wave

I'm wondering if they are. I dropped into Aldi the other day for a few bits and on my list of 5 items, they only had 3 of them. I didn't bother buying anything as I would have had to go somewhere else that day and the queue to pay was massive and it wouldn't have been a normally busy time as I never go in shops when it's busy, I think it was 2 pm on Wednesday or some other time that you'd normally expect it to be quiet.

BarbaraofSeville · 25/08/2020 08:28

Even worse, they only had 2 of them, 3 were out of stock.

SummerPoppies · 25/08/2020 08:33

@BarbaraofSeville
You need to practice your arm folded sad face and get in touch with the newspaper that can't be named.
Shocking.

It's still raining

Aweebawbee · 25/08/2020 08:47

I suppose it's understandable, but many posters have some very eurocentric assumptions.

It's fairly obvious where OP is based. High security for even fairly junior positions, a government that is quick to remove troublemakers due to the politically sensitive nature of the region, and a mobile immigrant population with traditionally strong family values.

If the OPs SIL visits from nearby countries in the region, then they too have very strict laws about privacy and social media. It would be very possible for her to be arrested for putting that kind of information online.

Why is everyone so quick to judge?

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