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Rude SIL banned from country

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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 17:35

TLDR: My SiL got banned from the country we live in, after she tried to release my address (I have a senior position in a diplomacy/security related field) as she was upset that her son has said he wants to stay with us for longer. AIBU to not exert energy trying (and probably failing) to reverse the decision?

My SiL and I have never been close friends, and I concede that after some bad experiences with her joining dinner parties and family events we hosted (going into our bedroom, refusing to talk to any guests, turning up hours late, leaving hours early, asking to be invited an hour beforehand and requiring menu changes, bad mouthing me, making demands on DH, storming out and screaming) I did stop inviting her. This caused tension between DH and I early on in the relationship, but eventually he came to accept that we don’t have much in common and he has seen for himself that she has been repeatedly and outrageously rude. As such, we don’t do the ‘big family get togethers’ and we don’t know each other very well. Most of our communication goes through DH, and her requests for money are usually denied by him before they get to me. Unfortunately, over the years, she has told my DH and MiL that she finds me to be snooty, overpaid and selfish with money, having ideas above my station, feels like I’ve taken over the family etc. I’m usually not too bothered, and have never hit back with my own opinions beyond my DH, I just would prefer not to engage in the drama over someone I’ve seen a few times in five years.

SiL has a son, he’s a young adult, who she has fallen out with. She has some mental health issues that have worsened after her fashion business failed. We don't know precisely what these issues are, so as not to drip feed. It seems like home became pretty unhappy for my DN, and he asked to come and stay with either my MiL or us, and as my MiL lives in another country and doesn’t have much ability to support him - he came to us (in another country too). I work away, and so only see my family 10 out of the month, but always support him/include him when I’m there, and I know my DH does the same. We make sure he has money, given he can’t work in the country we live, have helped him look at education/business ideas for his next step, and he’s been great in terms of our two children. We haven’t asked how long he will stay, especially given the pandemic, and we’re quite happy for him to stay as long as he would like. He seems to be happy and settled. As it transpires, he recently told my SiL that he doesn’t intend on returning home to see her when flights reopen.

She has not taken this well, and has been sending me abusive emails that are quite explicit, insulting and harsh. In them, she explains that I have stolen her mum, her brother and her son, and left her with nothing. She has said that my children will hate me when they grow up and see me for who I am, and the best thing I can do for her family is to stay at work permanently. I have never replied to these emails, and when she got no response, she began calling DH screaming and crying about how he’s let me hurt her, and how betrayed she feels as his sister. This came to a head when she threatened to reveal my address on the internet. Due to the nature of my work, this isn’t appropriate, and could put my family in danger. As such, I reported this to my workplace who made a formal report to the police. It has since been decided to ban her from entering the country. I had no influence on this decision, it was entirely independent from me.

My DH agrees that I had to report this, as he is also concerned about our children, but the result of the report he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. These bans are never reversed. He would like me to try and have this lifted, if she promises not to continue with the threats and commits to not releasing our personal information. This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him. I think we can’t trust her to credibly commit to anything, the relationship is beyond fixing, and ultimately the government made a decision based on their own security preferences to ban her from the country. My SiL hasn’t been informed of the ban yet. My DN doesn’t know about this either, and my concern is for how he will react should he find this out. Advice on how to broach this would be well received.

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FAQs · 24/08/2020 18:28

Was she driven to the threat because she didn’t know where her son was staying, if the address had been provided do you think it would have escalated this far?

pussycatinboots · 24/08/2020 18:28

@StillCoughingandLaughing

Posts that consist of the little Hmm face and nothing else can fuck off so bloody hard.
Hmm
lookatallthosechickens · 24/08/2020 18:28

I think you WANT your SIL to be banned from the country and this is an elaborate fantasy.

I'm enjoying it though! Years ago when my bolshy stepbrother was travelling, he stopped to visit me in Manchester on his way from China, via a long layover in St. Petersburg, to stay with me for a few weeks before returning to America (where his passport is from) and when the border control agents started asking him perfectly normal questions about the purpose of his visit to the UK he inexplicably told them it was none of their business (he said to me later he hadn't slept and was tired of answering questions). For some reason they decided to let him through but not before paging me in the arrivals hall to ask if I actually knew him and was willing to take responsibility for him while he was here. I should have said no and had him banned from the country :D

ScorpioSphinxInACalicoDress · 24/08/2020 18:29

Venice- Advanced Search. 🕵️‍♂️

Hepcat75 · 24/08/2020 18:29

If this is on the level - and I'm not at all sure it is - you obviously can't ask them to reverse the ban. You're like a (loopy) woman I used to know who would periodically get a restraining order against her (loopy) boyfriend, then reconcile with him. I did point out that they're effectively binding on both parties and she couldn't just decide to 'lift' them when she fancied - to no avail. What would you do, having reported her? Say "Look, it's got out of hand a bit; I'm sure she's all mouth and no trousers; can you reconsider?" They'll think you're an incompetent mess.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:30

[quote ZooKeeper19]@sergeilavrov I would not try and reverse anything. I guess you're somewhere that has very specific rules on visa/enter/exit so it would be difficult to even try.

She does not seem trustworthy with anything, can you somehow make sure that you are safe, move, change address and not give it to her? That may be something to think about.

Difficult spot for you, but ultimately you need to think about your family. Why would your DH want to stay connected with her and try for you to get the decision reversed? That sounds weird, why would he think it's a good idea?[/quote]
So we've made the appropriate arrangements for our safety, so I hope that will ease my stress in the immediate term, I think most of my anxiousness is about DH and my DN. I'm not at home at the moment, and I'd obviously prefer to talk to them in person where it's easier to avoid misunderstandings of intentions etc.

I think DH wants to stay in contact with her, they were very close growing up. I'm also not around so much, that during quarantine especially I think he misses having proper adults around. I don't believe he would want her to visit our home again though, just the country. She used to come quite frequently with MiL, but often wouldn't see me.

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boltzmannbrains · 24/08/2020 18:31

That’s nothing, I was banned from the entire world once.

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/08/2020 18:31

"My DH agrees that I had to report this ... he feels is very harsh as she will not be able to visit at any point in the future. ... He would like me to try and have this lifted ...This is particularly important to him, as he thinks she will go to his dad if she finds out (parents are divorced) and he’ll get a hard time from him."

Oh boo fucking hoo! Has your husband had his spine surgically removed or what? He lets his sister behave towards you however she likes (I see nothing in your OP to suggest he has EVER pulled her up), she escalates, consequences are applied - and he's worried his dad will tell him off?

Tell him to man the fuck up. He is a husband and a father and he needs to tell his batshit sister to rein it in and treat his wife with a bit of damned respect!

boltzmannbrains · 24/08/2020 18:31

(It’s a bar. Grin)

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:32

@FAQs

Was she driven to the threat because she didn’t know where her son was staying, if the address had been provided do you think it would have escalated this far?
She did know where her son is, she was very keen on him coming to stay with us at first. It's just since he has decided not to return, at least for now, that this has become a problem.
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butterpuffed · 24/08/2020 18:32

I imagine you're the only one in such a high ranking position whose SIL has been banned from entering your country so it makes you very identifiable .

Perhaps you'll be banished from your country soon .

SleightOfMind · 24/08/2020 18:32

I think your DH has to try and speak to his DF - explaining that her threat to release your home address put everyone, including her son, in danger, prompting a security alert which resulted in significant upheaval for all of you and a ban for her.
There’s nothing you could have done to avoid it and there’s nothing you can do to change it. It’s a direct consequence of her actions.

Pretty much the same thing for DN really. Get in there first with lots of regret and sorrow 😉 so everyone understands the situation.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:33

@Hepcat75

If this is on the level - and I'm not at all sure it is - you obviously can't ask them to reverse the ban. You're like a (loopy) woman I used to know who would periodically get a restraining order against her (loopy) boyfriend, then reconcile with him. I did point out that they're effectively binding on both parties and she couldn't just decide to 'lift' them when she fancied - to no avail. What would you do, having reported her? Say "Look, it's got out of hand a bit; I'm sure she's all mouth and no trousers; can you reconsider?" They'll think you're an incompetent mess.
I agree that it's not something I can do, nor to be honest do I want to try it even if were easy/had no implications for me. I also see why my DH is stressed about this to an extent though, because he's going to get all the fallout.
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cabbageking · 24/08/2020 18:33

This is the Yemen?

Do you need to provide any reason

roarfeckingroarr · 24/08/2020 18:34

I hope this is real and if it is the OP is an absolute hero!!

dreamingbohemian · 24/08/2020 18:35

I don't get all the jurisdictional issues here.

Your sister could face criminal charges in the country she lives in for revealing the address of someone in another country.

She is banned from entering your country even though practically this would do nothing to prevent her revealing your address from where she lives.

Is there something more to all this? Did you know she would be banned?

I feel incredibly sorry for your DH. You have alienated him from his sister and his family and now you've instigated this huge drama. His sister may be difficult but she is still family.

bonjonbovi · 24/08/2020 18:35

I would tell DN straight out what is happening. He will feel betrayed etc if you keep this all a secret.

sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:35

@SleightOfMind

I think your DH has to try and speak to his DF - explaining that her threat to release your home address put everyone, including her son, in danger, prompting a security alert which resulted in significant upheaval for all of you and a ban for her. There’s nothing you could have done to avoid it and there’s nothing you can do to change it. It’s a direct consequence of her actions.

Pretty much the same thing for DN really. Get in there first with lots of regret and sorrow 😉 so everyone understands the situation.

Getting in first is definitely a good strategy. Hopefully all that would leave in SiL having a go at DH, and I think (hope) that after a while he'll get sick of her. I've had to block her from my email address, it was all a bit too much to keep seeing.
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sergeilavrov · 24/08/2020 18:38

@dreamingbohemian

I don't get all the jurisdictional issues here.

Your sister could face criminal charges in the country she lives in for revealing the address of someone in another country.

She is banned from entering your country even though practically this would do nothing to prevent her revealing your address from where she lives.

Is there something more to all this? Did you know she would be banned?

I feel incredibly sorry for your DH. You have alienated him from his sister and his family and now you've instigated this huge drama. His sister may be difficult but she is still family.

The usual rules about jurisdiction are much more blurred here, sovereignty isn't so clear as it is in Europe for example.

I don't necessarily agree that I instigated this. I don't have much of a choice, I'm always going to act to protect my children. How would you have handled this differently? (Genuinely asking, not trying to be rude!)

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WhereYouLeftIt · 24/08/2020 18:38

"So my DH thinks we need to inform her of new addresses, as her son is with us."
Your husband is an idiot. She has her son's phone number, and can contact him that way. She. Does, Not. Need Your. Address.

TSSDNCOP · 24/08/2020 18:41

I do believe you have hit the Mumsnet jackpot OP in having an in-law banned from an entire country.

Well-played OP, bravo!

Rosspoldarkssaddle · 24/08/2020 18:42

Planes fly both ways. If she can't come to him, he will need to decide if he wants to go to her.
The government have made a decision based on her perceived threat level to homeland security and have banned her. It is not your decision and is called actions and consequences.
Do tell nephew and let him process the information and make his own decisions. The power to see his mother is in his hands.
If no one is speaking to her, then there is a common theme. Her. If and when she can behave then contact may change. No one wants to be with her because of her toxic behaviour. She only has herself to blame and your DH should tell her and his father that.

hastingsmua1 · 24/08/2020 18:43

Not going to lie this all sounds very far-fetched, but if it’s true there’s nothing you can do. Don’t attempt to get the ban rescinded, you’ll look unprofessional or as if you made it up. It is what it is.

If she wants the ban lifted, she’ll have to appeal in the usual way.

hastingsmua1 · 24/08/2020 18:44

I don’t understand how banning her from the country would prevent her from realising your address? If anything, she has nothing to lose now.

SummerPoppies · 24/08/2020 18:46

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