The song ‘WAP’ does not deserve the fawning plaudits? (NSFW)

[Redolent]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs

WAP by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion. Stands for Wet Ass Pussy. That’s all what the whole song is about. Consensus seems to be that’s it a great anthem about female sexual empowerment. The New York Times: “An event record that transcends the event itself.” The Los Angeles Times: “A savage, nasty, sex-positive triumph.” For the high-brow publication Pitchfork, Cardi/Megan ‘center themselves as women in order to freely celebrate their coveted power, sex appeal, and A1 WAP.’

Sample lyrics:

“ I wanna gag, I wanna choke/I want you to touch that little dangly thing that swing in the back of my throat.”

“ “Gobble me, swallow me/Drip down inside of me/Quick jump out ’fore you let it get inside of me,”

Rest here: genius.com/Cardi-b-wap-lyrics

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To me think the crassness of the song is so boring. I’m not outraged or aghast. I just don’t think it’s sexy in the slightest (others clearly disagree). The song talks about pussies so much they may as well be rapping about a pair of shoes. But I cannot seriously accept that this is video and song are anthem of liberating empowerment, with its pole dancing, strip club visuals and sexual cliches. Listen to the song all you want but let’s pretend these are role models.

Right so we've come from women having to make excuses to stay the night because she wants to have sex but is worried about slut shaming, to women singing they're so wet the man will need to clean up her wetness because she's not doing it and in the food chain she's above him.

Kinda feels like progress to me....

I think lyrically and musically it's very catchy, clever and funny.

I don't really get the outrage. Two strong, beautiful, black women have made a song about how much they like foreplay, sex and described it all in exactly their own words, they own it and are making loads of money from the song, yet people are outraged.

I have a feeling that most of the people who are offended are middle class white liberals who think that womens emancipation and femininity can only be expressed in certain ways that they approve of, should never be crass, should always be delicate and genteel. That women are not sexual (that being the realm of men and therefore not virtuous) and any kind of female sexuality is forced onto women by the evil patriarchy, rather than women having their own agency and being as honest and as mercenary when it comes to sexual fulfillment as men.

I also think there is a lot of underlying racism and anger that these women aren't conforming to the oppressed stereotypes as both women and as black women.

Kinda feels like progress to me...

Does art have to be progressive?

@tyrinn

Right so we've come from women having to make excuses to stay the night because she wants to have sex but is worried about slut shaming, to women singing they're so wet the man will need to clean up her wetness because she's not doing it and in the food chain she's above him.

Kinda feels like progress to me....

That bit maybe.

The bit about doing it for money/material goods, not so much.

Even if she had to find excuses, she was staying because she found him attractive and wanted to sleep with him — I personally think that's better than doing it purely to get something out of it.

(I've also just remembered that when it was first sung, it was the man making the excuses to stay, so it probably wasn't the best example!)

I still think the Britney Spears school uniform video/song is shocking.

Im sure a lot of grown men don't unfortunately.

Men have been releasing tracks like this for decades but god forbid when a woman does it.

Name me one song where a man sings or raps about the pleasure of being choked and gagging on something being shoved down his throat.

I'll wait....

Men have not been releasing tracks like this for decades.

'Empowering' my fucking arse.

tired of being told that women gyrating and talking about blowjobs constitutes female

Agree.

Although I missed a bit off my quote

Name me one song where a man sings or raps about the pleasure of being choked and gagging on something being shoved down his throat.

Well it tends to be women (or gay men, I guess) who enjoy having a cock rammed down their throat... so it pretty much makes sense that men wouldn't be singing that particular angle.

ts an OK song, i mean i wont have it on repeat, nor will the children be listening or watching it anytime soon, but for me, its alright. Not Cardi's best - and i like Cardi.

I am more outraged about Kylie J in it (does she need to be in everything these days?!) and the poor animals.

Well it tends to be women (or gay men, I guess) who enjoy having a cock rammed down their throat... so it pretty much makes sense that men wouldn't be singing that particular angle.

Alright... Name me a song where a man sings about absolutely loving something that in any other arena outside of 'great sex' people would find really unpleasant. Something that they just luuuuurve having done to them that women also get a lot of pleasure out of as well. Something that in the real world, men are actually being killed by at a seemingly increasing rate.

Give me a male equivalent to women singing about not being able to get enough of being choked and gagged. That is also apparently really 'empowering' to men.

Are blowjobs empowering? Blowjobs are one of the worst sexual acts in porn for degrading women. Does any woman really want some guys dick up against her tonsils? Really and truly? There's no other sexual act she might enjoy more than isn't based entirely on his pleasure? Just looked up the lyrics. Female empowerment? What a pile of shite. Just a couple of women basically describing a load of stuff that turns men on.

Name me a song where a man sings about absolutely loving something that in any other arena outside of 'great sex' people would find really unpleasant.

What are you talking about? Your "challenge" assumes that all people think blowjobs are really unpleasant.

Something that they just luuuuurve having done to them that women also get a lot of pleasure out of as well.

Ehhhh.... sex? There are literally thousands of songs by males talking about sex. Or do you not get a lot of pleasure out of sex

Shock tactics
It's all a bit of a desperate bid for attention isn't it? Apart from the vulgar subject matter, there isn't much too it.
I just dread hearing the radio edit.

Are blowjobs empowering?

Depends entirely on how the woman feels when she's giving the blowjob.

And why does a woman have to find a blowjob empowering? Maybe a woman enjoys being degraded consensually. It's probably the most common "kink" there is, and I use " because it's so common you could barely call it a kink with a straight face anymore.

Monotonous dross.

[quote Redolent]@justanotherneighinparadise

Songwriters:

Belcalis Almanzar (Cardi B)
Megan Pete
James Foye III
Austin Owens
Frank Rodriguez[/quote]
I can't believe it took 5 people to come up with this shite.

What are you talking about? Your "challenge" assumes that all people think blowjobs are really unpleasant.

I'm not talking about 'blowjobs' - I'm talking about being choked and gagged. I don't know anyone who, outside of sex, thinks that being choked or having their gag reflex stimulated by someone else, is a pleasant experience? I have certainly never heard men singing about enjoying stuff that, outside sex, people would find very unpleasant?

When you add into the mix the fact that the number of women being murdered during apparently 'rough sex' or 'choking gone wrong' seems to be increasingly, it's all a bit grim isn't it?

Maybe I am just a prude, as you keep implying not very subtly, but I don't think many women actually themselves enjoy the feeling of being suffocated or gagged by someone's penis. And I can't think of an equivalent act that men do during sex, and then sing about in songs.

And I have given plenty of blowjobs in my time (well, I've been married for 12 years now!), and enjoyed doing it, and have never had a man shove his dick so far down my throat that I can't stop gagging. Maybe I'm missing out eh, think how empowered I could be feeling

Not going to listen to the song, but from the lyrics you've shared, it does sound extremely trashy and uninteresting. I'm not impressed by men or women who have taken it as a challenge to be as raunchy as possible.

It's disgusting, but some people like disgusting things.

I'm talking about being choked and gagged. I don't know anyone who, outside of sex, thinks that being choked or having their gag reflex stimulated by someone else, is a pleasant experience? I have certainly never heard men singing about enjoying stuff that, outside sex, people would find very unpleasant?

I don't really know anyone who enjoys that outside of sex either. Just like there's not many people who enjoy being slapped outside of sex, being tied up outside of sex, having their hair pulled outside of sex, being scratched outside of sex.

And yet loads of people (men and women) enjoy all of those things during sex.

I'm still failing to see your point?

Are you saying that a woman shouldn't enjoy anything that is not also pleasant outside of sex?

And are we using your own personal take on what constitutes "pleasant" or is there like a standard definition somewhere that all women have agreed on?

This all sounds a bit "men only enjoy rough fucking and women only enjoy sweet lovemaking" to me.

"Get on top, then get to bounce around like a low rider
I'm a seasoned vet when it come to this shit
After you work up a sweat, you could play with the stick
I'm trying to explain, baby, the best way I can
I melt in your mouth, girl, not in your hand (Ha-ha)" candy shop by 50 cent

"Make me wanna hit it hit it
Heaven when I'm in it in it
If I do not fit, I'm gonna make it
Girl you can take it
Don't stop get it get it" down on me jeremih with 50 cent (especially gross).

"Pussy so good, I never fuck you in the ass
Got a long dick, that shit barely fit
Like O.J. glove, you must aquit
All these other hoes, I must had quit
When you ask me, "What other bitch you fuckin' wit'?"
I grab you up on some hood shit
You look back, like, "Good shit"
Got so deep in that bitch, it felt spiritual
Flooded in that pussy, it's a miracle
Yeah, how the hell you sucked the soul out my dick" so good by big sean.

Plenty of men are explicit in their songs. Even watermelon sugar by Harry styles is supposedly about vagina

I don't really know anyone who enjoys that outside of sex either. Just like there's not many people who enjoy being slapped outside of sex, being tied up outside of sex, having their hair pulled outside of sex, being scratched outside of sex.

And yet loads of people (men and women) enjoy all of those things during sex.

So can you name me a song where a male artist sings about enjoying being spat on, slapped, scratched or choked by his female partner during sex? And, further, where people use that song as an example of 'male empowerment'?

Ah yes men have been singing about women as sexual objects for a while, so? I don't mind the song, good for them, it's the holding it up as female empowerment that personally seems strange.

Plenty of men are explicit in their songs.

Has anyone said they aren't?