The song ‘WAP’ does not deserve the fawning plaudits? (NSFW)

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m.youtube.com/watch?v=hsm4poTWjMs

WAP by Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion. Stands for Wet Ass Pussy. That’s all what the whole song is about. Consensus seems to be that’s it a great anthem about female sexual empowerment. The New York Times: “An event record that transcends the event itself.” The Los Angeles Times: “A savage, nasty, sex-positive triumph.” For the high-brow publication Pitchfork, Cardi/Megan ‘center themselves as women in order to freely celebrate their coveted power, sex appeal, and A1 WAP.’

Sample lyrics:

“ I wanna gag, I wanna choke/I want you to touch that little dangly thing that swing in the back of my throat.”

“ “Gobble me, swallow me/Drip down inside of me/Quick jump out ’fore you let it get inside of me,”

Rest here: genius.com/Cardi-b-wap-lyrics

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To me think the crassness of the song is so boring. I’m not outraged or aghast. I just don’t think it’s sexy in the slightest (others clearly disagree). The song talks about pussies so much they may as well be rapping about a pair of shoes. But I cannot seriously accept that this is video and song are anthem of liberating empowerment, with its pole dancing, strip club visuals and sexual cliches. Listen to the song all you want but let’s pretend these are role models.

There's nothing "empowering" about the age old effects of the male gaze upon female sexuality & body.

It's just the same same same old tired trope but the woman is centering herself in her unoriginal male gaze fantasies. Me thinks Cardi's a bit porn addled.

These were my initial thoughts after watching the vid last night.

Also Carol will be V cross about those tigers 🐯

On reflection, it’s not just unadulterated female desire. It’s sex in exchange for (male) money and favours. How are these lines not stereotypical of power dynamics?

“ Ask for a car while you ride that dick.”
“ Pay my tuition just to kiss me on this wet-ass pussy”

I love it

I did roll my eyes at the lyrics. It is boring now to be so explicit constantly. My main issue is that I don’t think it’s very catchy.

Porn, porn, porn. So boring and unoriginal. Written, produced and directed by men. Titillating for boys, instructional for girls- be a porny faux-lesbian in lingerie and kid yourself it's empowerment while patriarchy continues and pisses itself laughing at your delusion.

@MostTacticalNameChange

Porn, porn, porn. So boring and unoriginal. Written, produced and directed by men. Titillating for boys, instructional for girls- be a porny faux-lesbian in lingerie and kid yourself it's empowerment while patriarchy continues and pisses itself laughing at your delusion.

I assumed the females performing the song, wrote the song?!

@justanotherneighinparadise

Songwriters:

Belcalis Almanzar (Cardi B)
Megan Pete
James Foye III
Austin Owens
Frank Rodriguez

Is that supposed to be a song?

Nothing but a pile of wank and even with auto tune the so called singing is awful.

@justanotherneighinparadise
They have a credit, yes.

Like OP said, it's not even about them enjoying sex, it's about being able to charge for it. Like that's the power women should aspire to. It's so regressive and not surprising given it samples Whores in this House 🙄

Rap does have a massive misogyny problem but lots of it sounds so good. Personally don't find this fits in that category but very much doubt they give a shit about my opinion!!

It is derivative and dull - Lil Kim was doing this in the 90s (and is a much more accomplished rapper).

I've loved rap and hip hop forever and can cope with the misogyny as it feels a bit pantomime-esque and tongue in cheek.

My 13 year old daughter loves Cardi B, I think she's a fun personality (very sweet on rhythm and flow!) but I really don't rate her skills as a rapper.

‘I don’t want anybody else, when I think about you I touch myself’ - fine

‘Like a virgin, touched for the very first time’ - fine

‘I’ll show you how to take me, Go down, go down, go down’ - fine

‘Golden shower, latex thong, licorice whip, strap it on’ - fine

‘Hey, they say that a stitch in time saves nine, They say I better stop or I'll go blind’ - fine

‘He told me that I’d never/ With his educated eyes/ And his head between my thighs’ - fine

WAP / Karmasutra / Anaconda - all not fine, all cause outrage, all get mumsnet hot under the collar.

What could possibly be the reason?

It’s surely a coincidence that nobody bats an eyelid when white women sing explicit songs about sex, eh? No doubt there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation which OP will leap to provide as to why there’s something fundamentally different about WAP. Can’t wait.

Not a fan.

The only thing I liked about the video was a representation of less commonly seen female body types.

Subtlety is a lost art. But I’m clearly not the target demographic.

No doubt there’s a perfectly reasonable explanation which OP will leap to provide as to why there’s something fundamentally different about WAP. Can’t wait.

Their race is the only difference you see? Seriously?

If there was nothing ‘fundamentally different’, why is anybody in the media commenting on it at all?

I guarantee you that the artists want it to be different. Go and tell them that it’s nothing new.

I don’t think it deserves quite the fawning (not the smartest of lyrics) or the criticism (women choosing to voice their sexual desires)

Why should women be ashamed that they love acting the porn star that they get off on it and what they like

Good sex isn’t just about love making all consensual sex should be celebrated and women shouldn’t be shamed into being told well you only like it that way as you want to please men or that this sort of sex is shameful and should be behind close doors

What should the song be about gentle love making

Are they heterosexual? I gather so, from the lyrics.

Why not fill the video with gorgeous men?

It’s still all about the male gaze.

Why does their sexuality matter

Maybe they do not label themselves

And maybe they are enjoying that the video turns men on while they are explicitly telling them what they like

Actually, RiteAid lots of those lyrics aren't fine, IMO.

CardiB is a former adult dancer, isn't she? Hardly surprising her videos are explicit.
It's just part of the continual pornification of society.

Yeah I think clutterbuck got it right.

This is not what I want for my children.

I personally love it. It's tounge in cheek and hilarious.

Its also a riposte to the many many songs men have sung about their genitalia--which I haven't seen your threads condemning? Do post them if I've missed them!

Itsalwayssunny nah- they just know they'll make money from it, that's all.

Their race is the only difference you see? Seriously?

Give me a better explanation of the consistent pattern visible everywhere of white women being praised for activities that black women are condemned for.

Go on - an explanation that fully accounts for this phenomenon and has nothing to do with race.

Actually @thestoic I believe they are both bi.

Give me a better explanation of the consistent pattern visible everywhere of white women being praised for activities that black women are condemned for.

Give me an example of white women doing this.

You can’t. If you could, we would already have talked about it.

If you can, I personally won’t like that either. It’s crass, unsexy, embarrassing.

Is it ok with you if I don’t like it?

I had mixed feelings. I liked the blatent sexuality in that they were saying what they want and they want good sex. Then that was lessened by the fact that they were saying they got money for it and it still is pretty male-gaze-y. Realistically though, I'm pretty sure this aggressive sexuality would terrify 95% of men, if they encountered it irl. There would be man-shaped holes in the wall, all over.

@timesareachanging

There’s a line “macaroni in a pot it’s so wet and gushy”

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Who writes this utter shite?

YANBU OP. Passing off soft core porn as some sort of exercise in women’s liberation.

The worst thing is there will be 9 year olds mouthing the lyrics and dancing provocatively To this on TikTok in no time 😔

I’d be more concerned a 9 year olds parents let them have tiktok. And if they heard the track that’s on the parents for not pay attention to their child.