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AIBU?

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DH has checked out of family life due to his mental health

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99WithTwoFlakes · 14/08/2020 21:40

Name changed for this. I don’t know what to do anymore. I basically feel like I’m a single parent.

DH suffers with depression, panic disorder and generalised anxiety disorder, he’s been diagnosed within the last year but I think I have known for a while that there were some mental health issues. He’s never been massively hands on as a dad, and in the past has blamed it on his demanding job, which saw him out of the house for most of the day. But he would do things with the kids when he could, like take them to their hobbies, to the cinema, do some school and nursery runs, and during lockdown he did his fair share of home-schooling etc.

But in the past couple of months it’s got to the point where he cannot even be in the same room as them. (They are aged 1, 3, 6 and 8). He says the kids’ noise exacerbates his mental health conditions. I try to keep them as quiet as possible as I understand the noise is a particular trigger for him and as you can imagine at those ages the kids have their moments, though I would also say the older three do keep relatively quiet for long periods if told to. We also have a large enough house that he can escape to other parts of the house when it all gets too much for him. But what I’ve found is he will do that in the morning and then we won’t see him for the rest of the day. He usually comes back to spend time with me after they’re all asleep.

In the past week he’s also said he won’t be able to do the things he used to do anymore (examples above). He’s said that given his deteriorating mental health I’m expecting too much from him. For what it’s worth I rarely ask him to do anything anymore, everything he does is because he feels like it. And I do everything else including all the housework and trying to work a full time job (from home due to Covid). He won’t do any of the housework but will cook the occasional meal. I still can’t get my head around why he won’t do any housework as that has nothing to do with listening to the kids’ noise....let’s just say that when I bring things up I’m accused of being insensitive or uncaring and on a really bad day I’m blamed for giving him a panic attack.

I feel utterly miserable. Part of me feels like this isn’t the life I signed up for, and then I feel like a complete bitch for feeling that way, because it’s his mental health and although he’s getting regular treatment for it, it’s not working yet and he doesn’t seem to be able to cope with any aspect of family life. We never go anywhere as a family, we never play games with the kids together, he doesn’t even help with bedtimes and hasn’t read any of them a bedtime story in ages. He’s either sitting upstairs in the bedroom feeling depressed or anxious, or he’s just too tired from work. Are these just excuses? How will I ever know if he’s perfectly capable but very ill, or whether he’s just plain lazy?

On top of looking after four children I have to be constantly mindful of his conditions and do everything I can not to trigger a panic attack. Having a conversation with him about something I’m feeling upset about is impossible, there is almost no emotional support back, it’s all one way. It is exhausting and I’m forever walking on eggshells. Lord only knows how the kids feel - probably the same way.

Here’s the AIBU part.... I know this is a ridiculous question but at what point would you cut your losses and go your separate ways? AIBU for considering leaving someone who is clearly very ill? I am already basically a single mum and if I’m honest I feel so much relief when he’s not around. Obviously I love him and miss him at times but it’s one less person to look after and the kids are happier too. But I’m conscious I feel this way because of his deteriorating mental health. So I would feel like I’ve left him just because of a disability ...does that make me pure evil? I sometimes wonder how I’d feel if I had post-natal depression and he left me. But then I realise I’d still be expected to parent and look after my baby if I had PND....and he literally is saying he can’t do ANYTHING now, it’s like he’s got a get out of parenting free card which he now uses daily.

YABU - he’s ill and you need to be there for him even if he can’t contribute to family life anymore.
YANBU - you can’t be expected to do everything / he’s using his mental health as an excuse.

Any thoughts or comments would really help me right now...even if it’s to tell me I’m being an insensitive and uncaring bitch!! Thank you

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Paddy1234 · 16/08/2020 20:40

Sorry blatantly place marking this thread as very interested ❤️
Much love

mathanxiety · 16/08/2020 20:54

Glad you have family support. It makes a huge difference.

Embracelife · 16/08/2020 21:57

Well done.
He may or may not find a way to cope with dc .
Or he can see them alongside MIL.

But you are going to find a better life
Ask gp about arranging couselling for dc
Therapists know how to use great techniques with young kids

Thisisworsethananticpated · 16/08/2020 22:24

Ah OP
I’m a single parent and also suffer with MH
However I miraculously also manage to work , clean , cook

I really don’t want to be too harsh here but I think he is using his MH as an excuse to basically do fuck all

TeaLibrary · 16/08/2020 22:28

Honestly OP you have a right here to think about your mental health and that of your children. He sounds like he has completely checked out of family life and isn't supporting you or pulling his weight. I promise you will be so relieved to not have to tiptoe around and worry about the slightest thing "triggering him. He just sounds petulant and lazy. If his mess and therapy aren't working then he will have to go back to his doctor but that doesn't mean you have to stay in a marriage that is making you exhausted and unhappy. Time to put yourself and your children first and put an end to this relationship.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 16/08/2020 22:34

I’ve just read your updates
Well done OP , strong woman

99WithTwoFlakes · 16/08/2020 23:06

Thank you so much everyone. It really is amazing how much relief and peace comes with letting go of something toxic. I’m feeling so calm and at ease right now, though I know it will be up and down for a while. When I spoke to my siblings earlier on a conference call, they all unanimously agreed that what I have actually been subjected to is emotional abuse. I broke down and cried to them. I think deep down I knew it was abuse all along but I always felt like he had no control over it or something, due to his illness. Now I realise you always have control over how you treat others, mental illness or not, because you’re supposed to take any course of treatment seriously. What a difference it makes to have outsiders tell it like it is. This thread has helped me enormously. If I ever feel a bit wobbly about it all, you can be damn sure I’ll be coming back here for another read and a reminder of all this fantastic advice! Thank you all from the bottom of my heart x

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SidekickSally · 16/08/2020 23:15

It sounds like you did all you can. I was reading with interest as I was in a similar situation. Your comment about feeling guilty because you married "in sickness and in health" struck a chord. You cannot continue the "in sickness" bit indefinitely unless the other person tries to help themselves and it sounds like your OH just didn't want to.
My situation is slightly different in that my DH is now seeking help. I involved the kids and my mum this time to make it "real" as opposed to something I keep hidden.
I hope you can see that you've shown your children (at least the older ones) that this is no way to live and that everyone deserves happiness and respect. You are a real role model.

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 17/08/2020 06:40

Well done op. I hope your dh gets the help he needs, it might be the kick up the arse he requires to get proper treatment sorted. But either way, he's not your problem. I think you'll find life is so much easier now.

Milliepossum · 17/08/2020 09:26

I wish you well op, a year from now you will be in no doubt that this decision is the best one for your children and you. It is absolutely a drain to have to accommodate another person’s controlling ways. Don’t criticise yourself as the situation crept up on you vs being like this from the start, which is how he was able to keep it going. When you thought he’d probably become unemployed you are right, however they can time it differently. A friend recently divorced and as soon as the property settlement went through (she was generous to him because she felt bad for him and his claims of being sad, mental health, etc), he quit his job, the child payments she had to make to him (even though it was 50/50) quadrupled and his family froze her out. It is essential to get the largest portion of the assets now because the child payments may never come, and your now nice MIL can easily turn on you, remember that she raised him to be how he is. Sadly my friend learned the hard way that it’s not worth being fair while divorcing a manipulative twat.

Jimdandy · 17/08/2020 09:56

Not sure why someone who struggles so much with noise had 4 children. Seems irresponsible to continue to procreate without at least considering this as an issue.

He’s basically just using his issue to be a lazy man child. I have mental health struggles but you just have to get on with it for the sake of the kids, who comes first. He has this easy get out option because you are there to pick up with slack and he can get away with it.

Leave him.

Porcupineinwaiting · 17/08/2020 10:14

remember that she raised him to be how he is

Fucking hell, it really is always a woman's fault isnt it.

olympicsrock · 17/08/2020 10:44

Well done OP - you are a strong woman. I’m sure you have done the right thing. Carry on talking to us. I posted upthread about my own situation which is similar but less black and white. My DH has promised to try and change so I’m giving him a chance. Part of me knows that I’m just dragging it out.
I’m so glad for you that you can move in with the rest of your life without this toxic shit!

Milliepossum · 17/08/2020 11:22

@Porcupineinwaiting

remember that she raised him to be how he is

Fucking hell, it really is always a woman's fault isnt it.

I’m sorry if that was offensive, it wasn’t intended that way. I was only drawing from my own experiences and those of my friends whose MILs we noticed enabled their children to behave badly, and unfortunately only saw this with hindsight. I am well aware of issues that fathers can cause too.
99WithTwoFlakes · 17/08/2020 11:38

@olympicsrock Thank you. I hope for your sake your DH does work hard to change his ways. Of course it’s always better in the first instance to try to work on the marriage - if the other person is trying to work on it too. Can’t be a one way street. In my case, I’m now being promised he will get on some new medication, see a psychiatrist and get this illness treated properly, steps he’ll be taking before he even thinks about asking to come home. A half-hearted approach to dealing with poor mental health is hardly likely to bring about any improvement - I hope he realises now he’s been doing just that. And the mental illness doesn’t excuse the other shitty/lazy behaviour so that’s going to need to change too if he wants a shot at this. So let’s see how this goes... he won’t be allowed back unless and until he has shown considerable improvement or has at least taken serious positive steps towards this. I guess I’m having a wobbly today and thinking it’s too soon to give up on a 13 year marriage entirely, especially if someone is saying this is the kick up the backside they needed. I’m sure many will be sceptical (I certainly am!) so I’m continuing to make preparations in case I still end up needing to go through with the divorce.

@Jimdandy I agree with you four kids is a lot. However things weren’t this bad until baby number four, so I’d say in the past year they’ve got worse. I always knew he had some mental health issues/depression as he was always a bit negative but he was undiagnosed until recently and noise was definitely not a trigger until baby number 4 came along... he seemed to deal perfectly fine with noise before now, and the noise three children make isn’t that much different to four in my opinion. So I do think this has something to do with deteriorating mental health rather than him just not liking noise generally. It’s what he does about it now that will make or break the marriage. Some people need ultimatums I guess

@Milliepossum Not sure MIL is to blame for his laziness, he lived alone for years and managed just fine, and in many ways I think she deals well with him despite the fact he’s in his 30s and definitely should not need his mum to deal with him at all. I’m always able to have a moan to her about him or anything else whenever I want, she encourages me to and it makes me feel better when I do talk to her about things, and when she says she’ll have a word with him etc - but you’re absolutely right although she loves her grandchildren she probably will turn and not be on my side at all in any financial settlement. Bearing this in mind, thanks.

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99WithTwoFlakes · 17/08/2020 11:41

@olympicsrock Yes...dragging it out! That’s how I feel, I know deep down I’m doing this, and there will be further issues if I take him back. It doesn’t help that the kids were asking today, when is daddy coming home, why’s he been gone so long etc. Although they barely spend any time with him I guess they’re not used to him not even being in the house (especially since lockdown)

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justasking111 · 17/08/2020 11:51

Your MIL sounds great, if she is anything like me he will not get much sympathy, but rather trips to gp until he gets his meds right and starts to self improve. I would also be in your corner money wise in a divorce. He is a father of four he has to acknowledge that financially as well as emotionally.

Isabeller · 17/08/2020 11:55

I’m dealing with a different variety of a similar thing and finding it is one thing too many on top of the other stresses of life right now.

Sisterly hugs OP

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 17/08/2020 12:54

In my case, I’m now being promised he will get on some new medication, see a psychiatrist and get this illness treated properly

I think that's definitely easier said than done even when you're willing to engage. Mental health services in this country are not great. Drugs are obviously an option but my mum had to try 6 or 7 before she got a prescription she could live with (still side effects) and I can't get my psychiatrist to prescribe any more after my setraline side effects. Is he sleeping? For me, lack of sleep and lack of tolerance towards noise go hand in hand and I remember from my childhood my military df was exactly the same. Obviously that's not an excuse but it might be something easily fixed.

From the stuff that you've said, it is possible that a different less demanding job would solve a lot of his issues?

justasking111 · 17/08/2020 13:02

No mental health services are not great but non existent in years gone by my MIL was offered ECT as a cure for PND thank god my FIL said no way. But mums crack on caring for children, partners, to just check out like chicken licken because the sky is falling in does not cut it with me. I have had issues but fought for help and meds

MyShrivelledGnarlyFinger · 17/08/2020 13:38

I was brought up with a parent who had mh issues who wouldn't tolerate almost any noise. All of us had to tiptoe around making extra sure we didn't accidentally bang any doors closed etc. Parent refused to see a dr for mental or physical health problems. As a result my sibling and I have mh issues ourselves I almost recoil in fear when I hear a loud noise as it instantly takes me back to the days of my childhood.
I'm glad you now have some space to be yourselves.

99WithTwoFlakes · 17/08/2020 13:57

@Dinosauratemydaffodils his sleeping pattern isn’t great. He goes to bed around 3am most days and doesn’t wake up until 11ish so I know he gets enough sleep but the quality of it could improve. Nothing I say or do can get him to sleep at a decent hour. When he has an office to go to again then yes this will have to change (though he will still say he can’t sleep at a normal time because of his anxiety and so we’ll go back to nights where he’s said he hasn’t slept well due to being kept up late because of his anxious thoughts and has still had to get up early for work.) His employer isn’t expecting him to do normal hours at the moment so that’s why he feels he can get away with the 11am starts. That and the fact I keep the kids downstairs in the morning to avoid waking him and an argument kicking off...

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justasking111 · 17/08/2020 14:03

So his employer is enabling him tiptoeing around his precious sleep. FFS you are not the only one being taken for a ride OP

FannieMae84 · 17/08/2020 14:15

OP i've been reading your posts just feeling more and more drained, it sounds exhausting and to answer your original question, most women would have been at breaking point in your "relationship" a long time before you posted to question this.

looking after 4 kids, including very young ones, plus working is shatteringly tiring at the best of times, without a partner dragging you down.

mental health issues or not, your DH seems to think that his mental health struggles (whether real or not, doesn't matter) have a right to trump yours... your energy, your stress levels, your ability to parent or work properly... there is a point where self-preservation needs to kick in as a good mother, and say this is too much now - there has to be change in the future or this is where i stop.

i agree with the other posters - something would have to be at a likely level of change for me to not want out of this relationship. as much as your love a partner, they don't have a right to break you. your children deserve a better role model, and they sound like they're being terrorised in their own home by having to tip toe around a delicate and often absent father.

it's far too much to ask, and aside from your DH having no end point in mind where this isn't just "normal" (it's not normal!)... he seems to have scant regard for you as his wife. you're not selfish. you are being asked to accept a shitty, awful status quo until... when...?

FannieMae84 · 17/08/2020 14:16

also - if he does try and pull the "well i provide financially" card.. i say all of the above as the significantly higher earner.

just becasue you're in a job that pays well, is stressful, etc doesn't give you a blank cheque to opt out of family life, or crush the wellbeing of a partner.

which is what he's done here, and expected you to accept it, long-term.