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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

OP posts:
Her1mum · 13/08/2020 18:20

Your MIL is both racist and pig-ignorant. I think you will have to be upfront:”MIL, I think all hair types are equally lovely - don’t you?”

Twinkled · 13/08/2020 18:23

I would be direct, call her out
"MIL why is Afro hair an issue for you?"

Pliudev · 13/08/2020 18:23

I really agree with Sturdy. A grandparent making derogatory and racist remarks in front of her grandaughter is completely unacceptable. What does she imagine will be the result of such hurtful comments for your DD? Nip it in the bud as a matter of urgency. If she says any such thing in front of your DD again point out that her hair is beautiful and make an opportunity to speak to her without any children present and straightforwardly tell her that her comments are racist and hurtful and you will not tolerate them.
Ignorance is no excuse for bad behaviour.

Middersweekly · 13/08/2020 18:41

Yes your MIL is racist. Some might call what she said “micro aggression”. I think your DH needs to address this issue with his parents. It’s not fair to project that BS onto your children whom I have no doubt are beautiful regardless of their hair type or skin colour.

peachdribble · 13/08/2020 18:51

I think you'll have to pull her up on it, as whether she's being maliciously racist or just ignorant - the effect can be the same:

Please don't talk that way in front of your grandchild - as it is racist. If you want her to grow up without some kind of a complex, and if you want her future respect - then you need to think about your attitude to hair, etc

Deidre21 · 13/08/2020 18:58

Racist arsehole

LoisLane66 · 13/08/2020 18:59

I'd remark that My children are absolutely beautiful whatever their colour and whatever texture their hair is and if you make any more remarks like that, you will never have the pleasure of seeing them grow up...your choice, take it or leave it.'

Lovely13 · 13/08/2020 18:59

I wish I had had the courage when I was young to speak up for my hair type. Not Afro. But wild Irish hair. Coarse, curly, black, thick curls. Hairdressers, aunts, etc would cause me all sorts of pain with their comments. It didn’t fit the norm of politely straight thin blonde hair. My son has inherited it. And I keep telling him how lucky he is to have it. People are weird about hair. Educate your relatives!

pinkstripeycat · 13/08/2020 19:21

So what if she didn’t like red hair or Very curly hair (like my DD) that’s difficult to manage and turns in to a cloud when brushed with a normal brush. Would she be racist then?

Fudgemonkeys · 13/08/2020 19:28

AramintaLee I agree entirely

Yorkshiretolondon · 13/08/2020 19:29

WTAF....omg! Your MIL is disgustingly rude, and racist. I would have to challenge her on her comments... how awful for your kids to be hearing this rubbish from their own family.
My son is mixed, he has ringlet curls (I’d love his hair) if my family said anything like this I’d be furious!

Nellisterr · 13/08/2020 19:33

Why does it matter to her if they have afro hair?! She is incredibly rude commenting on this and I think your husband really needs to have a firm word with her! I would also be concerned your beautiful children are growing up hearing phrases like that. She's indirectly commenting on your hair by saying those things and that's awful, what a horrible woman Confused

doadeer · 13/08/2020 19:34

Your MIL is vile. Definately try to nip in bud as you don't want your kids to hear stuff like that when they are older!

I use a bit of Cantu curl cream on DS (mixed race but curly non-afro hair - his dad very very tight curls) when wet and it makes them look lovely

Celestine70 · 13/08/2020 19:36

Absolutely disgusting comments from MIL. Yes, she is very racist suggesting there is something wrong with Afro hair.

Wilkie1956mog · 13/08/2020 19:38

Extremely rude of her, and yes, racist. Horrible coming from your own MIL and the childrens' grandmother. Would she actually regard a grandchild with afro hair differently then?

2teenagegirls · 13/08/2020 19:39

Assume a lack of understanding, next time, or pro actively, ask if they feel this would be a challenge? And ask why. It will help understand the root of the question i feel. If this is the only area of concern it may just be that lavknof knowldege. If there are other issues, maybe not. (I like to be cup half full)

Bettyboo1957 · 13/08/2020 19:45

Get a huge bottle of gin.... dont drink it until you've had The Conversation......my mixed race DIL had to with me fifty ago. All racist behaviour should be challenged even if its through ignorance and if its not .....not good to have that shit in your babies lives...I wouldn't be without my grand and great granchildren ..no way!!

Edda09 · 13/08/2020 19:45

My youngest has lots of curls and used to get really knotty. We were advised to use hair oil, which has really helped when brushing. We also brush both morning and at bedtime.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 13/08/2020 19:46

Wow , your MIL is a nasty bigoted woman isn’t she ?
Question is how you stop this

MacavityWasFramed · 13/08/2020 20:00

Yes, of course she's a racist, and is probably quietly appalled that her son has produced babies with "Afro hair". However, if you want to stay attached to her son and not force him to choose between the two of you, you might have to see this as a chance to teach her a few things: "Afro hair" is not wiry and hard to style and won't automatically form dreadlocks. It is like any sort of hair and has just as much opportunity to look clean and beautiful. You can decorate it with beads or ribbons if you like, just as you can with non-Afro hair. In fact, it is just hair, like hers.

I had not felt "Afro hair" until my friend invited me to feel her mixed-race kids' hair. To my surprise, it was soft - I had assumed it would be tough and wiry, and I'd never been bold enough to ask to feel anyone else's hair! To be fair, I've never felt ginger or blonde hair either - I have no idea what they feel like!
Anyway, she'll come round I expect. You might be able to show her how to not be racist around your children, but if not, and she persists with casual racism, just have a quiet word every time it happens (not in front of the children), and get your OH to remind her if she 'forgets' to hold her tongue. If she's demeaning to them when they're older, you can limit her access to your children, which should get her to buck up her ideas.

nannykatherine · 13/08/2020 20:14

She’s racist

WhatCFeryIsThis · 13/08/2020 20:24

@pinkstripeycat

So what if she didn’t like red hair or Very curly hair (like my DD) that’s difficult to manage and turns in to a cloud when brushed with a normal brush. Would she be racist then?

I don't understand the question here. Do you mean that it's not racist to be worried about a child having Afro hair?

dreamboatquickfuck · 13/08/2020 20:33

Ask her why she is making negative comments (away from kids). Explain how unacceptable it is for her to be making these comments. Don’t worry about rocking the boat, she needs to hear it. Be firm, calm and assertive. If she continues, loose your shit.

Bananabread8 · 13/08/2020 20:36

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

YANBU.

I'd ask her directly "MIL why is Afro hair an issue for you?"

Yes this is exactly. Call her out OP!! We are not back in 70s it’s unacceptable!
bokchoy · 13/08/2020 20:37

OP You've had lots of advise on here.
I have Afro hair and use "aunt Jackie" curl products.
It does make my hair softer to comb through. They do kids products as well :)

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