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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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NickiC85 · 13/08/2020 17:34

Your MIL is out of order, totally.

On the hair note, I've just started the curly girl method (other people have mentioned stuff from it). There's tonnes of info out there on Instagram and YouTube and a book of you really want to get into it, but it has lots of suggestions about how to look after different types of curly hair - as a starting point I'd search Instagram for "curly girl approved" and start from there. I started the method a montb ago and can already see massive improvement in mine and my daughters' hair

sturdywiththewordyshakespear · 13/08/2020 17:36

YANBU. I would challenge them - the implication is that Caucasian hair is somehow 'better' and that's what everyone would want given the choice. Personally I would call her out on it and keep calm and ask her, but a bit forensically, why she would say 'that's good, that's alright then' about her granddaughter's hair. See what she says. I understand why your husband thinks it's ignorance but IMO it's ignorance for which there is no excuse and which, if the world is to become less racist, needs to be challenged as much as archetypal racism. Perhaps it would be help a little to point out that it's negative for your daughter who has BEAUTIFUL hair to have implied criticism of her appearance, and, of course, her race, which is a core beautiful part of the beautiful child that she is. That kind of talk is corrosive to self esteem and development so I think you need to nip it in the bud. Good luck! It's a difficult conversation to have.

Lelophants · 13/08/2020 17:39

This is shocking. I'm really sorry!

Estheryan07 · 13/08/2020 17:39

It’s borderline racism

cherish123 · 13/08/2020 17:41

Your MIL is a rude bigot. I would show her no respect because she's not being respectful to you.

icedgem85 · 13/08/2020 17:42

My Nan is a bit like this but the other way around. She was disappointed my daughter is light skinned and that my son’s hair is curly and blonde rather than Afro. She thinks they’d be perfect if they both had dark skin like my son and 4C Afro hair like my daughter 😱 and she’s white by the way. People are weird. And it’s rude either way!

mummytraveller · 13/08/2020 17:43

yup.. ignorant and u need to ask her what her problem is.. my nan asked me if my daughter would speak English or Punjabi.. worried she wouldnt be able to communicate and it would make family get togethers awkward Angry

Good luck OP

Diva66 · 13/08/2020 17:45

That is racist, and extremely rude. WTF is long with Afro hair, or any other hair for that matter? Would she be annoyed if they were ginger, or blonde?

S111n20 · 13/08/2020 17:48

whats Her issue ? I’d ask her out right and find out what the problem is.

moofolk · 13/08/2020 17:48

I'd be livid if I were you.

Racist, rude and offensive.

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Comments about DD’s hair texture
BusyEmz · 13/08/2020 17:56

I hope I’m wrong but this may but be the tip of things to come. If she feels comfortable saying this to you it will only be a matter of time till she freely says things like this to your kids.

Also sounds like any excuse to make you feel inferior among the rest of them.

EmpressoftheMundane · 13/08/2020 17:56

Your MIL is rude and insensitive. There is no such thing as wrong hair. And it sounds like both your children have really lovely hair.

I’m hesitating to call her racists. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. It sounds like she accepts you which is in her favour. And growing up in the US south I can think of black girl friends moaning about hair and who had good vs bad hair among them. So this idea of frizzy hair being bad transcends race. (I am white, with frizzy hair myself.)

Still I think you deserve a pat on the back for keeping your cool. Without bringing race into it, children need to be celebrated for who they are and none of their physical characteristics are “wrong.”

JellyNo15 · 13/08/2020 18:01

I think she is racist and even if it was ignorance she is still bloody toxic. You need to call her out on the next comment.

user1490954378 · 13/08/2020 18:01

I'm afraid I would just turn around and tell her afro hair is beautiful and that really beautiful people don't make silly comments about people's hair. Daft old bat!

ednakenneth · 13/08/2020 18:02

I wouldn't say she was being racist,just very ignorant. Both my children are mixed race and have very different curl patterns. I have to explain to hairdressers that their hair is not coarse but via on the side of Caucasian.
Hairdressers do try to avoid having nothing to do with black hair as they feel it is difficult. Our hair is versatile and can do anything. Don't get too cross with your mil just explain to hair and if you want, send her videos that are plentiful on YouTube. You have to educate them for them to change.

Callingallskeletons · 13/08/2020 18:02

No they absolutely sound racist! What a cowbag

Nettie1964 · 13/08/2020 18:05

Poor you. Your post made me so angry on your behalf. Afro hair is beautiful. Challenge your mil. It's the only way. Unthinking and stupid. Stop the rot now

maybloss2 · 13/08/2020 18:05

hello lovely,
I'd say your MIL is both racist and rude. if ive read this right she is denigrating black peoples hair. and you have 'black' hair so shes being rude..it'd be like you commenting on something about her appearance not being desirable. you'd be well within reason to say at the very least....MIL do you realise the comments you make about my and my kids hair texture are hurtful, rude and racist?
im sure you'll have plenty of responses saying the same.

Deadposhtory · 13/08/2020 18:09

She said this in front of your kids?
I'd have kicked her out

Chig · 13/08/2020 18:14

I’ve found the older generation can be like this.

My MIL said some very hurtful things to me when I was expecting my twins. During and after delivery

I had twin-to-twin syndrome so I was very worried about my girls. She said I was the size of a house, and when they were born she said the larger one obviously took after me and laughed. Even now they both have different frames.

My MIL has passed now. I’m sorry your MIL said that.

All the very best for your pregnancy.

FelicisNox · 13/08/2020 18:17

Another vote here for rude, insensitive and racist. Here's what I would do:

The next time she opens her mouth on this topic, send your DC out of the room, make a spectacle of shutting the door slowly but deliberately then sit down opposite her, fix her with a look and say "as you make these offensive comments about my children's hair on a regular basis the time has now come to explain yourself".

Smile, head tilt, don't take your eyes off her.

If the opportunity presents itself I would ask her what her next course of action will be if they do suddenly develop afro hair (we all know that won't happen but it would be interesting to see how far her ignorance extends).

Make it clear you love your children just as they are, afro hair or not and if she cannot keep her racism under wraps she will not be welcome around your children in future as her bad attitude is bad for their emotional wellbeing.

This is about her not wanting Joe Public to cotton on to the fact that her DGC are mixed race. She's passing them off as Caucasian and is scared shitless people will work it out.

She's a disgrace.

Just give DH the heads up that the next time she opens her mouth you will take her school but be clear you are informing him of your decision, you are not asking for permission to put her in her place.

MindyandBella · 13/08/2020 18:17

Send her to me my daughter is 29 and just had her own first baby I am white with long thin hair....daughter is also mine white with very light blonde Afro hair and for all those baby years right threw school she was bullied and her hair touched all the time with passers by in the pram..many many moons ago I would snap on a regular basis..she still cries as her hair doesn’t grow it gets to the nape of her neck and it snaps off so tight a curl..and she still cries she’s had it straightened every treatment. But 5o no avail. We’ve spent thousand on her say so as she cried she just wanted long hair to fit in...so when her baby arrived she was in such a state hoping it wouldn’t have curly hair not because it’s Afro as this mother in law states but because of the bullying the pictures of teenagers taking photos of sheep and putting pictures all over the school buses..I could write a book on the name calling and the group of a small villages in Scotland being so nasty and it all starts with adults ..where do the kids learn it from...ive grew up fighting my daughters corner. Making her a better person we always excepted everyone and still do no matter what creed or disability..your mother in law needs to be grateful her grand children are alive well and are very happy living with there mum and dad...there is no need for this .its not the case of black lives matter for us ..It’s All lives matter in our family...p.s. granddaughter whose nearly a year looks like she’s going to be a beautiful red head .🤣 How blessed are we as a family.x

happybunny03 · 13/08/2020 18:20

What your MIL has said is totally unacceptable.

I would arrange a meet-up with her to explain why what she is saying is offensive and how it makes you feel. Also mention the negative impact it will have on your children if she carries on like this in front of them. She needs to be educated on this ASAP.

firsttimejoj · 13/08/2020 18:20

So sorry you and your DM have experienced this. As this community has shown, YANBU. You need to take her up on this and make clear that she is out of line and out of date. Hideous behaviour, it makes me so upset to hear that ppl think this is an acceptable thing to say.

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