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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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AgentJohnson · 13/08/2020 20:40

I wouldn’t have any patience with your MIL’s BS. I’d wind the bitch up and show her a picture of some disco queen from the 70’s with the biggest afro and say, DD ‘s hair will be a carbon copy.

Singerleon · 13/08/2020 20:40

Sorry you’ve had to deal with these hurtful and racist remarks from your MIL.

RoseLillian · 13/08/2020 20:41

For a MIL to say to any DIL I don’t like your hair let’s hope my Grankids don’t get it is awful. Add in the fact in your case she is undoubtedly being racist. The comments about the meal also, how rude. I really hope your DH does let her know that you will not put up with her speaking like that and if she doesn’t stop she won’t be seeing the kids.

Bananabread8 · 13/08/2020 20:44

@ArnoldBee

This is where things get in the grey area for me about whether it's racism or she's just a pain like my own mother was. My mum was obsessed about my son's sticking out ears and what was I going to do about them. The answer was that I did nothing and told my mother to shut up about them and id give him the confidence to deal with them. Now he's an adult his ears fit him perfectly.
There’s no grey area here. It is a known thing that Afro hair is known to be a lot courser in texture and if you don’t know how to look after it it can be harder to manage than English hair. There’s no debate there.

However what is bloody racists is that MIL will be aware of this hence MIL stating will they have Afro hair? It’s negative. Ears don’t even correlate!

AbsolutelyPositively · 13/08/2020 20:47

You know I didn't realise until reading these replies that her comments were also insulting my hair  just wow. I'm glad I know now though, it's likely to mean I'm the opposite of polite if this happens again. What a 🤬.

@AgentJohnson I love that 😂

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ConfusedDotCom123 · 13/08/2020 20:50

AbsolutelyPositively

“You do realise mother in law that you are insulting my hair too don’t you , did you mean to be so rude ?”

Alipaules33 · 13/08/2020 20:55

Wow this is horrific. I actually feel really upset for you that your MIL is so obsessed about their hair. So racist it’s not even funny. Sorry OP 💗

rachaelclaire1 · 13/08/2020 20:55

Very rude.

Nip this in the bud otherwise your daughter may grow up with a complex about her hair. Some people are just so insensitive - just ask her not to mention this again

hoxtonbabe · 13/08/2020 20:56

Lol @AgentJohnson

This would be me too! I chopped my hair off to grow it natural 15 years ago and never straightened it since, primarily to give the middle finger to the system that tried to tell me my natural hair was unacceptable but a hot itchy wig or weave that I found uncomfortable and cost a bomb was more acceptable.

The Bloody cheek of the woman. She needs a konk. If my sons grandparents ever said anything like that to me they won’t be seeing me or him again.

Pollygetthevodkaout · 13/08/2020 21:04

Not her generation, some of mine, definitely not my childrens , we just have to wait till the dinosaurs are extint ...it may take a while yet but we will get there.

LoisLane66 · 13/08/2020 21:21

@MacavityWasFramed
The OP mentioned that her children do not have 'Afro' hair. Their hair is curly but not as curly as an Afro might be.
Look it doesn't matter a bit anyway. Children are a gift so let us celebrate every child. They are our future.

pollymere · 13/08/2020 21:21

My MIL is disappointed that DD doesn't look more Chinese (she so doesn't it's hilarious) and PIL lost interest when he found out it was a girl and assumes we live off potatoes due to my Irish background. You can't win in these scenarios. I hope your kid comes out looking exactly like your Mum like mine did! I've been mistaken for the nanny before now.

Funguy · 13/08/2020 21:27

She knows exactly what she's saying.
She's a racist.
Also she is saying it to upset you.It's a mixture of jealousy and racism.
I bet your children are beautiful and you are too.

hoxtonbabe · 13/08/2020 21:30

@pollymere

Ah that old chestnut. Lol, I used to get that when My DS was younger, especially when I went to the Dominican Republic and the UAE.

PotteryLottery · 13/08/2020 22:12

I have a mixed race friend whose white MIL said exactly the same about her grandchildren's hair.

I am so sorry that you have to experience this. Your MIL probably tells people that she's not racist as she has a mixed race DiL.

Racism exists in families. Sadly I think we have to accept that such odious views exist more widely than we would like to think.

SinisterSparkle · 13/08/2020 22:13

My boys are mixed I'm black dad is white/Sikh my boys have very fine curly hair really annoys me that my fil calls one of them tatty head because when they have them they use no products in their hair even though I give it to them with a tangle teaser , so it goes all frizzy at the back .

Anywau any leave in condition for curly hair works really well or a hair product that is for afro Caribbean or mixed hair especially one that is designed for curly hair . Saying that the johnsons leave in conditioner spray works well too I just find the scent overwhelming we all end up sneezing

MacavityWasFramed · 13/08/2020 22:15

@LoisLane66 Absolutely! I think most grandparents, even the racist ones, would not wish to be cut out of their grandchildren's lives because they expressed unpleasant and unacceptable views. That should encourage them to watch their comments.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 13/08/2020 22:16

I've been mistaken for the nanny before now.

Remember those adorable babies interrupting the news broadcast and everyone automatically assumed Mum was the Nanny? And even when you said "No, that's their Mum" they still argued! SMH

FeeLock28 · 13/08/2020 22:30

Yes, that's racist, 100%. Not acceptable, ever.

Bluesparkled · 13/08/2020 22:32

It doesn’t look good really, but - as she’s your DH’s Mum and trying to look at it positively - could she be maybe not amazingly bright, not very sophisticated and not really sure what she should/shouldn’t ask? The whole ‘has she got the Afro hair’ question maybe shows she is trying to see you in her GC and trying to see her son (which is pretty normal I think) and isn’t sure how to ask you things without getting it wrong (not working, obviously!) Like how is Afro hair different or not different from very curly European hair, maybe.
It sounds as though you have a good relationship in some ways?

FlossyChick · 13/08/2020 22:46

Your MIL is either ignorant or doesn’t care that she offends you. My advice would be to sit her down and explain exactly why her comments are hurtful and how racism is offensive. As crazy as it seems she may not realise how bad what she is saying is. I live and work in London in a multicultural environment, but I am from a remote village in another part of the uk. I am regularly blown away by the casual racism of the people I grew up with in my village, they think it’s funny, they really don’t get it and it’s part of the reason I can’t now live there. Clearly it’s up to you, but you could explain, perhaps including geographical details and historical facts about how black people have been systematically treated with cruelty and prejudice for centuries. The African diaspora reaches far and wide and it never fails to shock me that many white people have no knowledge of black history at all. Black hair, and the pressure and cultural expectations of Western standards of hair is something that needs to be firmly at the centre of education. If you calmly and clearly educate her, then she knows. You will then know that she has no excuse when she makes hurtful comments. I have been very outspoken with my own family and my in-laws in the past; the thing to consider is that she may be offended-but right now you are offended. Strength to you, she is the grandmother of your children, it would be a shame to fall out with her- hopefully you can navigate this, try to talk to DH and maybe get him to talk to her/or talk together. Racists can be educated, they can then, in my experience, become enlightened and educate others.

MadameBoulaye · 13/08/2020 23:45

This is rude and hurtful and is aimed at you from a racism perspective. One thing that really struck me through the whole BLM campaign is that many black women felt/feel obliged to disguise their Afro hair to disconnect from slavery and to fit better into society. I’d wondered why wigs and weaves were so important to them. This really shocked and saddened me because I love Afro hair and think this should be worn loudly and proudly by black women! I think the MIL needs a stern talking to as a wake-up call to bring her into modern society.

Diverami · 13/08/2020 23:46

She may be suffering from dementia. If so, whatever you say may have no effect on her. Just make sure that your children know they have lovely hair - by telling them often.

Heffalooomia · 13/08/2020 23:59

calls one of them tatty head
I'd be making jokes about his appearance and seeing how he likes it...

Toomuchtrouble4me · 14/08/2020 00:03

Next time..."Gosh I really hope so, mine didn't turn Afro until I was 10 so there's still hope...Just fingers crossed that they don't have your nose..."