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Should I ask to speak to child services behind my partner's back?

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Worriedandconcerned34 · 10/08/2020 09:46

Hi,
Posting here for traffic and also because I am hoping for some genuine advice. This could well turn out to be an essay, so please forgive me.

I have strong suspicions that my partner's children (who live with his ex-wife) are being abused emotionally by their mother's partner. I don't believe they are being harmed physically but I don't know how long this will remain the case. We see these children 50% of the time, so on a regular basis throughout the week.

My partner knows about it and we have contacted child services numerous times in the past year. There is a case-worker assigned but we haven't heard from them since June and it appears as though they have closed the case. I worry that they have closed the case as the children are fed, clean, clothed - they are not being neglected. My partner is now reluctant to rock the boat any further as one of the children involved is not biologically his but he has always classed them as his own. But he has been threatened by the ex-wife that he will not get to see this child if he continues to (in her words) "try and ruin her life". So he is seemingly content to let things play out.

The signs of emotional abuse that we have been made aware of:
Ex-wife's partner has called the children names like "Dick". He has called the children fat and told them they are "mental". He has insisted they call him Daddy. He has threatened to abduct one of the children. He has been arrested for common assault against one of the children but the charges were dropped. He has taken videos on his phone of the children crying and he appears to be all nice on camera asking them why they are so upset and afraid of him. He has pinned their mum up against the wall. There have been at least 3 occasions the police have been called in the last 4 months by neighbours due to the shouting and this man has damaged the property and kicked holes in the doors. He has broken/barged his way into the house and shouted at the children whilst they were on factime with their friends and apparently their friends were all crying watching what was going on. This has all happened whilst the children have been at the property. There are two children involved here, one is my partner's daughter and is 9 years old. The other girl (not my partner's) is 13. The older child has been posting alarming social media videos saying she wants to die and has been self-harming. When approached about this the ex-wife says that the children are making a big fuss over nothing. I appreciate that a lot of what the children say (which I haven't posted here) sounds like normal children rebelling against authority - things like not wanting to go out and exercise, not wanting to play a game with each other, fighting and bickering but I am tearing my hair out trying to think of what else I can do to help these kids. If my partner is not willing to try again, what can I do? Should I contact the social worker again?

I should add that the ex-wife has promised over and over again to my partner that this man is gone for good. But then she takes him back again within two weeks. This has happened on three occasions throughout lockdown. Nothing changes.

I am a little bit lost as I tried so hard to get this man removed from the children's house but I am only a partner to their father. I have no say in what happens. Should I get involved again? I know that if I ask my partner if he wants to take anything further then he will say no, based on what kicked off last time. But these children are being systematically abused and failed by everyone in their lives, or so it seems to me. I don't think I can just sit back and watch. I have told my partner every time that I have spoken to the case worker or NSPCC, or whoever else I have tried to get some help from. But this time I know he won't want me to disturb the semi-peace that is happening now.

What should I do, Mumsnet? :(

OP posts:
movingonup20 · 04/01/2021 15:33

Thanks for the update op. I'm glad things were improved for the kids. Just a thought, let your dp's ex know that if she wants help to end her relationship you and dp are there for her, she may well be being emotionally abused and under his control, you might think this isn't possible but I've know an educated independently wealthy woman loose everything to an abuser and she was in denial right up to the court case where her kids went into care. You don't owe her anything but she's the kids mother and compassion costs nothing

Pebbledashery · 04/01/2021 15:41

I certainly wouldn't ignore this.. Those are that are telling you to are simply wrong. What I will say is don't go behind your partners back. It's his responsibility to speak to children's services. Keep on at him. Morning, noon and night.. This can't be ignored but you risk undermining him and falling out with him if you go behind his back. They are his children.. Why isn't he caring as much as you?

Worriedandconcerned34 · 04/01/2021 16:12

Thanks everyone :) Sorry for confusing people with resurrecting this zombie!

@movingonup20 we did think about this as it would be so much better for the children to see DP and her being friendly but I don't think she would be receptive and also when we learnt that she blamed the children for getting this man in trouble and told DP's daughter (the younger girl) to blame the eldest girl as it was all her fault that "Mummy needs happy pills", we kind of thought we'd leave her to it and concentrate on keeping a happy, loving, safe environment/haven at our house for the girls. I prefer to not talk about her but if the girls mention her I'm always friendly and I've always spoken in support of her if she does come up in conversation, e.g when we heard this about the happy pills I said "It sounds like your mum needs cheering up, do you want to bake some buns here and take her some when you go home?" or other times "How about we do some pictures, you could draw you and your mum" type/thing (with the younger girl) I have to tread very carefully with the older girl atm regarding her mum.

It is very, very , very hard to be positive about her tbh, but we try.

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WhatTiggersDoBest · 04/01/2021 16:31

I'm glad you've got it sorted with the mum's partner mostly gone. I don't want to be harsh here, but in a similar situation, I found it really invalidating that the adults around me were always trying to be positive about my mum even though they knew what she was like. I preferred the ones who simply didn't talk about her or said "I'm sorry to hear that" and moved on. I grew up with massive trust issues because all that diehard positivity "I'm sure she didn't mean it" "well maybe we should do this for her" (let's make her a card so she can rip it up when I get home) made me feel like her shit parenting was all in my head and like it wasn't as bad as it was.

Worriedandconcerned34 · 04/01/2021 16:46

@WhatTiggersDoBest, yes, this sounds like the 13 year old (well, nearly 14 now). She doesn't speak about her mum at all and relations are at an all time low. (Big surprise) Problem is she is not DP's child, DP wanted to adopt her years ago but Mum said no. I think she has hinted about wanting to live with us full time and this is fine by us but I don't know, I don't know if she would be able to until she was older/18 maybe, without mum's consent. Plus I think DP would struggle not having the younger girl here full time at the same time...... I don't know. As I said, we're not out of the woods yet.
The positivity is mainly for the 9 year old, who talks about Mummy and is sad about her mum being unhappy....... but I totally get your point and I'm sorry you went through something similar. It is hard to know what to do for the best, especially with both girls having extremely different relationships with their mum!

I just do not want to influence their relationships with their Mum in anyway, I always figured it was best for them to figure this out themselves....... arrgghhhhhh

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growinggreyer · 04/01/2021 17:03

You have the right instincts, but could tweak it a little. "It's a shame your Mum isn't happy, how are you feeling about things?" Take the focus off trying to make things better for her Mum and listen to how things are for her.

Stinkerbells · 04/01/2021 17:08

Worried, I haven’t read the whole thread but get the gist, so happy for you all - that you’ve managed to finally see some progress.

Just wanted to say how touching it is that you and your DP look out for and care for the eldest. It’s heart warming to know that a young teen, with less than ideal support, still has family support (Regardless of step-status it sounds like she is very much a part of your family). You and your DP are good people, hope you all get a positive outcome.

DameFanny · 04/01/2021 17:08

@JuniperFather

This feels to me like snitching now. You've already got involved, you did what you could.
Snitching? The children are being abused and you call it snitching? Are you 12?
DameFanny · 04/01/2021 17:11

Excellent outcome OP, anything I'm so sorry it sounds like the eldest was put through additional trauma before they could be protected properly Flowers

2bazookas · 04/01/2021 17:25

Contact ss again in writing with the recent examples that have all happened since their previous involvement, dates and witness names.

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