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Original poster

To leave Greater Manchester Lockdown to stay in self contained accommodation in another area.

315 replies

Bishybarnybee · 30/07/2020 21:49

Rising numbers of cases in Greater Manchester and new restrictions - no mingling of households.

Holiday booked for Saturday - self contained accommodation in another part of England.

We've been meticulous about masks, handwashing etc.

Are we unreasonable to still go?

OP posts:
Devlesko · 31/07/2020 11:51

Had arranged to see my ds1 and family today, but we can't go.
We can't even sit in their garden, I'm so gutted and was looking forward to seeing my granddaughter.
tempted to go but would be our rotten luck to be fined.

Original poster
Bishybarnybee · 31/07/2020 11:58

Had arranged to see my ds1 and family today, but we can't go.

I think they have specifically said you can meet, socially distanced, in a public park, but not in your garden. Which presumably is to stop people being in the garden and slipping into the house - or maybe they think that people will be more careful in public.

So the parks are likely to be very full, but you could still have a socially distanced meet?

OP posts:
cologne4711 · 31/07/2020 11:59

Andy Burnham said specifically this morning that it is not a lockdown. You can go elsewhere (especially if you are staying in self-contained accommodation).

They just don't want lots of intergenerational mingling inside, for Eid.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 31/07/2020 12:01

@CalmYoBadSelf

I'm appalled at some of the answers, very much in a "rules don't apply to me" mould. This thinking is one of the reasons the UK has far greater virus spread than other countries
I think the same. This is something you can’t really personal risk assess as could pass onto others with potentially awful outcomes to health.

So many moaning about masks, not social distancing, group gatherings letting children play out with no distance, travelling on non essential trips etc. The more we lower cases the better it will be for all. A few months of sacrifice to protect others isn’t a lot to ask.

silentpool · 31/07/2020 12:02

The problem is, everyone could also have a reason why rules do not apply to them. Selfish disregard results in outbreaks.

Devlesko · 31/07/2020 12:10

I know we could still meet in a park but the ones close to us are the major town parks and they'll be heaving.
They live 8 miles from us, but both towns have big parks.
I think it's more dangerous to meet in a park than their garden, so daren't risk the park.

GilderoyLockdown · 31/07/2020 13:06

@silentpool

The problem is, everyone could also have a reason why rules do not apply to them. Selfish disregard results in outbreaks.
Are you going to be the first person this thread who's able to tell us what rules OP would be breaking here then?
Byllis · 31/07/2020 13:14

It's painful to read people STILL coming on here to complain about people who won't follow the rules. Which is apropos of nothing as far as this thread goes.

If you removed from the YABU camp those people who simply can't understand the question, their percentage would be far, far lower.

Then those suggesting us affected residents are selfish and irresponsible for venturing away even in line with guidance... this is becoming ridiculous, not to mention insulting for those of us who are cautious and considerate. I wfh, I live with one other person who does likewise, and I have had very little contact with anyone else since March. I'm unlikely to pose an elevated risk if I leave the confines of gtr mcr for a self-contained flat! Please save your anger for those who deserve it.

KaleJuicer · 31/07/2020 13:32

New published guidance and FAQs from Dept of Health released this morning (Apols if already up thread) :

“I live in the area. Can I leave the area to go on holiday?
You should not travel outside of this area to meet people in their homes or gardens. You can still go on holiday, but you should only do this with people you live with (or have formed a support bubble with).“

LovelyIssues · 31/07/2020 17:42

YANBU OP go and enjoy

poohsticks30 · 31/07/2020 17:43

States on the government website that you can travel to go on holiday.

emmathedilemma · 31/07/2020 17:48

Government website says you can go with your own household www.gov.uk/guidance/north-west-of-england-local-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do

Florist1970 · 31/07/2020 17:55

It's NOT a lockdown it is a set of guidelines. Also people need to be aware there is no legal law in place ie Police enforcement/broken the law.
It is sensible guidance and most people have been doing just that. I'm an Oldham resident by the way.

Florist1970 · 31/07/2020 17:57

Enjoy your Holiday OP, hope the weather sticks xx

Cloudspotter · 31/07/2020 17:59

As long as we all keep ourselves to ourselves, wear masks, keep an eye out for symptoms, we should be okay.

People who have taken risks, either through the nature of their work, or by breaking the rules, know who they are.

And they seem to be the very ones who don't give a toss.

There's a big polarisation between people who are taking it very seriously, seeing no-one, going nowhere. These are the people following the rules to the letter and worrying about it.

Meanwhile, certain sections of the community seem to have opted out of society altogether, are busy going to funerals with 250 people, or spending loads of time indoors with each other. They are the reason we're all having a surge again.

From my perspective it looks a lot like "if you're worried, you're probably not the problem".

And then there's the desperately unlucky ones simply caught in the wave.Sad

Iwalkinmyclothing · 31/07/2020 18:01

Here in Greater Manchesrer all our pubs and so on have remained open and it's OK for us to visit those, clearly the virus doesn't spread in environments where money is being spent.

I don't believe this is about anything except dissuading gatherings to celebrate Eid. In any case, it changes nothing for me, I haven't been in anyone else's house since pre lockdown anyway. But the idea that it's safe to go to a pub, but not someone's garden, is pure wank.

SpinningWheelOfFortune · 31/07/2020 18:05

I haven't RTFT so apologies if I'm repeating here but gov guidelines say:

I live in the area. Can I leave the area to go on holiday?
You should not travel outside of this area to meet people in their homes or gardens. You can still go on holiday, but you should only do this with people you live with (or have formed a support bubble with).

So go on holiday OP, have a lovely time. Cannot understand all the posters pouncing to tell you what a terrible disease spreading idiot you are.

PiataMaiNei · 31/07/2020 18:11

@Iwalkinmyclothing

Here in Greater Manchesrer all our pubs and so on have remained open and it's OK for us to visit those, clearly the virus doesn't spread in environments where money is being spent.

I don't believe this is about anything except dissuading gatherings to celebrate Eid. In any case, it changes nothing for me, I haven't been in anyone else's house since pre lockdown anyway. But the idea that it's safe to go to a pub, but not someone's garden, is pure wank.

Yes. I live in an affected area and it's abundantly obvious. I could legally do a number of things more risky than sitting on my brother's back garden two metres away from him, but evidently different rules apply when there's a till or card reader present. And people get this. It will not be followed.
TreatMeNice · 31/07/2020 18:19

Go on the holiday as you've stated it'll be self contained accommodation and if you travel straight there your still confined together. Are you taking food with you or maybe get the local shop in the area if they deliver and order extra so they'll last the lengh of your holiday? Change of scenery might do you some good.

Pembsgirl · 31/07/2020 18:21

We're actually at the opposite side of the coin to the O.P. in as much as we are the holiday property owners, and have guests due today from the Greater Manchester area. This morning when we heard what was going on, we really didn't want them to come, but have been pushed into it by the holiday company that supposedly represent us. We asked for guidance from the police, who told us that the guests should be guided by their conscience!! They're coming, and I'm really not happy about it, as they're likely to be bringing the virus with them to an area where we haven't been too badly hit until now!

TheNewLook · 31/07/2020 18:36

They're coming, and I'm really not happy about it, as they're likely to be bringing the virus with them to an area where we haven't been too badly hit until now!

Given the overwhelming majority of people don’t have it and have never had it - why do you assume the worst? I’d say it’s incredibly unlikely your guests have the virus!

Disabrie22 · 31/07/2020 18:39

I was listening to some advice about exactly this on the radio - you can but you can’t socialise or go into others houses - basically a holiday in isolation.

BoomBoomsCousin · 31/07/2020 18:40

as they're likely to be bringing the virus with them to an area where we haven't been too badly hit until now!

They aren't likely to be doing that. Only a small percentage of people in the area will have the virus. The chances of one family bringing the virus with them, let alone passing it on to someone else if you clean properly once they've left, is not great and not even close to 50%.

PiataMaiNei · 31/07/2020 18:43

It's up to you how you feel about them coming, but there's zero basis for thinking they're 'likely' to have the virus.

GinPin2 · 31/07/2020 18:44

@Pembsgirl, hope your holiday home is not in the Southwest of England! According to the 'app' data we have no active cases of Covid19 in Weymouth and Portland atm :) although I am sure that will all change :(