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Original poster

To leave Greater Manchester Lockdown to stay in self contained accommodation in another area.

315 replies

Bishybarnybee · 30/07/2020 21:49

Rising numbers of cases in Greater Manchester and new restrictions - no mingling of households.

Holiday booked for Saturday - self contained accommodation in another part of England.

We've been meticulous about masks, handwashing etc.

Are we unreasonable to still go?

OP posts:
BoomBoomsCousin · 31/07/2020 06:45

YANBU. Until they close pubs and the like again there isn't much point in other restrictions.

BendingSpoons · 31/07/2020 07:00

You are not breaking any restrictions, as you are going as a single household and you are not in lockdown. You are still allowed to visit restaurants etc. The key issue is the virus is spreading by households mixing. If you have been following the rules well up to now i.e. socially distancing with others, then you aren't going to be much more of a risk. Arguably you are less risk than somrone from another area that has been ignoring the rules.

Pobblebonk · 31/07/2020 07:00

@Jaxhog

I'm appalled at some of the answers, very much in a "rules don't apply to me" mould. This thinking is one of the reasons the UK has far greater virus spread than other countries

Quite. It's not fair on those of us who are vulnerable and STILL can't risk going out even, never mind have a holiday, because others are ignoring the rules.

But what rules would OP be ignoring?
Pobblebonk · 31/07/2020 07:01

OP, given that the restrictions don't prevent you from going on holiday, the owner of the place where you're staying will have no obligation to refund you.

Iamtooknackeredtorun · 31/07/2020 07:05

Are people really this dim?? Follow the rules, stay home as much as possible, be careful, and then we all get out of this as soon as possible.

Look I'm really sorry but these are NOT the rules. The govt message on social media for the past fortnight has been to go out and do all of the things you have missed doing in lockdown. There is a financial incentive to go out to restaurants for goodness sake. The new restrictions, on what has been released to now, relate to one very specific change. There are no other limits on doing today what we were doing yesterday.

Wifeofbikerviking · 31/07/2020 07:07

I'd vote no. Dont do it . I live in cornwall and when the big lockdown happened lots of people sneakily came here at night from places with higher covid cases at the time such as Birmingham and london to second homes and we did get a spike. It's not fair to do that and the point of locking down the places with high cases is to prevent the spread

Wifeofbikerviking · 31/07/2020 07:08

Ijust want to add that I am supposed to be visiting my family for the first time all year. They live south manchester and if they're in lockdown of course I wont be coming

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 07:08

Someone on another thread posted the guidance www.gov.uk/guidance/north-west-of-england-local-restrictions-what-you-can-and-cannot-do

I just hope everyone will try to do a bit more than they want, it's all very worrying again and we've a long winter ahead.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 07:09

By a bit more, I mean a bit more effort to stop it spreading, not a bit more hugging/travelling/whatever!

ListenLinda · 31/07/2020 07:11

@Littleposh since lockdown was announced, i’ve worked from home, not been anywhere but the supermarket, not been in pubs or a restaraunt, so have most of my family, not set foot in another shop, only recently started seeing family in a large garden when the whether is decent, yet now this even though it is highly unlikely any of us have contracted anything. The OP will be going to self contained accomodation where the risk is low.

Sorry your circumstances are different but there are many of us affected by this that think it is unlikely unfair and down right stupid! And to answer your question, no i’m not dim.

NiknicK · 31/07/2020 07:12

The government haven’t said you can’t go on holiday just that you’re not allowed to meet up with family and friends indoors. Personally I would go. I had three holidays booked this year all have now been cancelled and I’m beyond gutted.

rosie1959 · 31/07/2020 07:13

There are enough rules to abide by without MN making up new ones to try to enforce on others
Enjoy your holiday

Iamtooknackeredtorun · 31/07/2020 07:14

I note that the guidance even allows people to holiday INSIDE the restricted zones.

BendingSpoons · 31/07/2020 07:17

@Wifeofbikerviking

I'd vote no. Dont do it . I live in cornwall and when the big lockdown happened lots of people sneakily came here at night from places with higher covid cases at the time such as Birmingham and london to second homes and we did get a spike. It's not fair to do that and the point of locking down the places with high cases is to prevent the spread
I understand that was hugely frustrating but they are not entering lockdown now. It has been identified that what is causing the increased spread right now in Greater Manchester is households mixing, so that is what is being banned. If they had found cases were spreading in pubs and restaurants, they would have closed them instead.

We need to increase our understanding of how the virus spreads and who/where it is spreading the most and clamp down on that, to allow other, less risky, activities to continue. The key issue right now appears to be how well people follow social distancing. Assuming the OP has done, and continues to do so on holiday, then she is not a big risk. I would also hazard a guesd that lots of the people who ignored the initial lockdown by travelling broke other rules too, as they clearly didn't care that much, which is likely to have further increased the spread then sadly.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 07:21

@Iamtooknackeredtorun

I note that the guidance even allows people to holiday INSIDE the restricted zones.
Yes, people will be flocking to book I'm sure. My reading from that guidance is the op can go on hols, but should be very cautious about passing anything on?
Katkincake · 31/07/2020 07:23

Go, it's not lockdown proper. Travelling as a family out of the area is allowed. We're in one of the areas announced, miles away from the parts of our district with increased cases and about to move house to another part of the country - according to some on here I would be unreasonable to consider this Hmm

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 07:24

I also DO NOT AGREE that they are target household mixing because that is what is causing spread.

a) they are also asking people not to mingle in pubs etc., so it must be spreading there too
b) they don't want to shut businesses because then Labour will call for financial support so they will leave businesses open but deter custom

Be wary of assuming this is all caused in private homes. Imo they are shutting that down first as it is a non-income generating activity.

pussycatinboots · 31/07/2020 07:25

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-on-gatherings-in-some-parts-of-northern-england

No mention of you not being able to go on holiday in the Guidance published by the Govt last night.

OP - in your shoes, I'd go. Have a lovely holiday.

labyrinthloafer · 31/07/2020 07:26

Sorry, first line should read "I also DO NOT AGREE that they are target household mixing because that alone is what is causing spread."

I do think not SD in homes/gardens will be causing spread, just that it will ALSO be pubs, restaurants and general lack of SD.

Hercules12 · 31/07/2020 07:30

Op- Matt Hancock just now on lbc has very clearly said travel is fine. Do not cancel your holiday!

Original poster
Bishybarnybee · 31/07/2020 07:33

What about the cleaners who have to clean your accommodation after you?

The accommodation actually belongs to a friend - who doesn't live on site - and I offered to do a covid style deep clean on the day we leave, but there is a gap before the next people arrive so they are happy that anything we leave behind will have gone by then.

OP posts:
frumpety · 31/07/2020 07:44

I think if you are going to continue with mask wearing/hand washing and social distancing when you are there, then I would go @Bishybarnybee.

My0My · 31/07/2020 07:44

No one who went to Cornwall mingled with other households though. Utterly different and what evidence is there that they gave Covid to anyone? None I think.

Yes, the op should go on holiday.

My0My · 31/07/2020 07:45

Holiday accommodation is being cleaned - very thoroughly. Again, it’s not ok to go!

justdoityourself · 31/07/2020 07:46

What about the cleaners who have to clean your accommodation after you?

What? The OP isn't going with Covid symptoms! That same logic would apply to anyone using the accommodation.

Jeez OP, just enjoy your holiday, things may change further and you'll regret not going when you had the chance.