To leave Greater Manchester Lockdown to stay in self contained accommodation in another area.

[Bishybarnybee]

Rising numbers of cases in Greater Manchester and new restrictions - no mingling of households.

Holiday booked for Saturday - self contained accommodation in another part of England.

We've been meticulous about masks, handwashing etc.

Are we unreasonable to still go?

@Littlemeadow123

I'm getting fed up with the current mentality of "Fuck the safety regulations, we still need to live our lives by doing whatever the hell the we want,"

With no thought for the people who may not be able to live their lives if you pass covid onto them.

I'm getting fed up with the current mentality of people who clearly don't understand the rules incorrectly lecturing others about breaking them.

Damn straight

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-what-you-can-and-cant-do-under-new-lockdown-rules-in-areas-of-northern-england-12039610

There you go no need for polarised forum posters to get antagonistic and aggressive about something seemingly simple to understand if a touch last second notice.

I glanced at the text of this Sky News article and note:

What are you not allowed to do under the new rules if you live in one of the affected areas?

• Visit someone else's home or garden, even if they live outside the affected areas

• Host people who live outside the affected areas at your home

Do obviously check the latest official rules in case they have changed!

So if these rules apply to you and you are not Cummings then probably best do what you are advised to do as otherwise there may be consequences for you and us going forward. The faster we can bare the inconvenience the faster we will all see this through and on to new post Covid era. Obviously there are as usual probably many health and safety contradictions as evidently the government is still experimenting with the right mix of public health versus economic health. Not an easy balance and especially problematic if there are a minority of Covidiots or those who are above the law entitled types or professional loop hole what if exceptionist types.

Covidiots is one of the most nauseating phrases to come out of this whole shit show

Is OP planning to holiday in someone’s home or garden?

Ok, I was tempted to slink away and not post our decision, but I know how frustrating it is when the OP does that.

Friends have basically said stop angsting and come. They are not making money out of us so no personal gain in it for them. The guidance is clear that it is within the rules. We will be rigorous when we are there. We will put money into the local economy by shopping locally. Unless there is new guidance tonight, looks like we're off.

The poll started off as 100% against, and have steadily shifted, now 57% for. I think that reflects the greater clarity of the guidance that's emerged over the past 12 hours.

Thanks for the contributions, folks.

Is OP planning to holiday in someone’s home or garden?

Completely separate accommodation from friend's home. No need to interact at all, though that is quite sad.

Have a great break

I'm getting fed up with the current mentality of people who clearly don't understand the rules incorrectly lecturing others about breaking them.

This.

Enjoy your holiday OP. We're in the same boat and intending to go too.

So glad you've decided to go! Have a wonderful time.

Enjoy

@PablosHoney

Covidiots is one of the most nauseating phrases to come out of this whole shit show

Absolutely. That and 'the new normal' are two things I'd be happy never to hear or read again.

Amen to that @saraclara

Enjoy.

Original poster if you fall within the rules then clear conscience enjoy and make the most of it! Escape to a safer place (within the rules)!

Do forward plan in case the rules change for your return if for instance you happen to visit another or next Covid hotspot under critical review as parts of the South West are not great on R rates either. I know a few Brits expat overseas who have recently (through no fault of their own as like you Covid risk averse) been caught out. So problematic to plan and book travel these days as you never know where this second and further wave is going to strike next. Latest data apparently suggest the asymtomatic community transmission is via youth and younger adults. Naturally unless they have obesity or other major health issues they would tend to survive. They may inadvertently spread to more vulnerable relatives and friends though.

Covidiots is a much used and disliked word but a good Covidvention as both Covid and idiots are surely public enemy one and two.

Stay safe and enjoy your travels.

Genuine question @Jaxhog - if you are still not going out, what difference does it make to you if others travel within the rules/guidance?

I was starting to go out and have visitors. But if so many people think the rules don't apply to them, then the risk becomes too high again. So I'm stuck back in lockdown.

Is it really so much to ask that people follow the rules to keep EVERYONE safe?

Covidvention is new to me but can get in the bin too 😂

No way am I not going on holiday next week. We're not back in 'lockdown' yet but feel we may be soon.

I'd definitely go OP

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia, it's probably better to look at the guidance itself rather than taking it from Sky. That makes it entirely clear that it is directed at preventing gatherings of people within the affected area. This isn't a matter of being "above the law entitled types or professional loop hole what if exceptionist types" because the law permits what OP is planning to do; and it's not a loophole any more than any other behaviour fully permitted by law is.

@Jaxhog

Genuine question *@Jaxhog* - if you are still not going out, what difference does it make to you if others travel within the rules/guidance?

I was starting to go out and have visitors. But if so many people think the rules don't apply to them, then the risk becomes too high again. So I'm stuck back in lockdown.

Is it really so much to ask that people follow the rules to keep EVERYONE safe?

But what rule do you think OP would not be following, @Jaxhog?

No way am I not going on holiday next week. We're not back in 'lockdown' yet but feel we may be soon.

It was really interesting listening to interviews with those who went to Cheltenham races, way back at the start of the outbreak. They knew that this was likely to be the last race meeting for a long time, and so rather than responding to the risk, they partied harder, and longer, more closely and with more people, even than they normally would. The effects of that are known.

People who say 'well, I'm having MY holiday, come what may - yes the R rate is up in holiday areas, yes, where I live borders an at risk area but there's no way I' m not having my holiday, I'm going anyway because the rate is rising and we'll be locked down again soon' remind me of those racegoers - and with less excuse, because we KNOW how this works, and how high the risks are, now.

That is not the same thing at all, those race goers and last gasp pub goers had no social distancing what so ever, no comparison with OP going on a self contained and distanced holiday.

Pablos, I wasn't referring to the OP, but to the post I quoted.

I know that a lot of holiday areas with historically low case numbers are wrestling with the issue of visitors claiming 'there isn't any Covid here, so I'm not wearing my mask / social distancing / meeting no more than 2 households inside or 6 people outside' - and that case numbers are creeping up. My own area, long showing low numbers, contains a holiday destination and we are seeing case numbers higher than they have been since May.

I started thinking YABU but with the clarification of the new rules, YANBU. You aren’t staying in someone’s home, you aren’t hosting people from outside the area so contradictory as it sounds to the concept of stricter enforcement, it looks like you’re in the clear.

It’s still not a fair comparison, the R rate was always going to go up, people can’t stay locked down forever, I can’t speak for visitors who may or may not think those things but they are not the majority. I’ve been to the beach once and it was distanced and sensible.