To ask if you are OK with your daughter's subs being spent on this?

[KatieAlcock]

I've just come to update you on my case against Girlguiding, where they expelled me for raising safeguarding concerns and for asking why we had to believe in inner gender identity to be a leader.
Girlguiding have spent AT LEAST £35,000 and probably more like £100,000 of the subs you pay for your daughter to go to Rainbows, Brownies or Guides, on defending a case against me, a committed leader who wants to make sure girls are safe and leaders have freedom of expression.

Full text of my update in the next post so as not to bore you to death!

@Picass0L1ne

What injuries would need clothes removed? 🤔

A burn, a scald, a nasty insect bite/sting from a horsefly, a laceration/puncture wound through dirty clothes... there's a few to start Picasso.

@Annabanana1234

So you’re a bigot that wouldn’t stop spouting her anti trans bullshit so they told you to do one? You then took umbrage and sued? Or have I got it wrong?

I do not think bigot means what you think it means @Annabanana1234

Bigot
a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

haven''t seen Katie throwing intolerant insults around. you on the other hand.....

So what's the issue, if you can already tell if a young girl/helper for a trip is trans and therefore can pull your kid from the trip if you think all trans people and men are molesters?

How would you know if you haven’t met them? GG is a single sex organisation- or was. Many people have absolutely no idea this is going on. And I really don’t think all men are molesters. But any man who wants to be in female only spaces needs very close scrutiny.

Luckily outside of MN most people know that the scenarios portrayed here are incredibly unlikely to happen, and that realistically parents will be informed regardless of GG policy.

I’m going to gracefully bow out of this conversation now, as honestly if you’re willing to fight a court battle over this I haven’t a cat in hells chance.

It's also the duplicity. Most people think GG is single sex. Every single survey of members said they wanted it to remain single sex. They shifted to gender without telling the members or the parents. And the irony is GG always knew the difference between sex and gender. It's why it was such an empowering place for girls.

@Picass0L1ne when male teachers go on overnight trips with girls they don’t share close quarters with them.

realistically parents will be informed regardless of GG policy

Why are leaders acting against GG policy? why do they feel they have to? why are you good with that?

Girl guides needs to move with the times. Baden Powell was racist, imperialistic and homophobic. Funny how some characteristics can be ditched but not others.

Yes, I would be ok with subs funding their case. I agree with them. I understand you are acting with the best of intentions and that your concerns are genuine and what motivate your actions, but I don't agree with you.

Here’s who molests girls. Men. Only men. Transwomen have exactly the same rate of sexual crime as men - unsurprisingly. Because - well they are not women. So it’s not vanishingly unlikely. It’s just as likely to happen as if you let a non trans identified man into a girl guide tent.

This is what safeguarding is for. Most men are decent. Some are not. That’s why they don’t get to share a tent with your teenage girl.

If you think that GG was made 'in the image of Baden Powell' then I genuinely don't know why you're on this thread Picasso. You seem to have no knowledge of Guiding or safeguarding.

No "panic" here - but I despise thought police, especially when you are supposed to go against any scientific training you may have. Cant understand how any self-respecting woman could be a member of the guides these days.

My subs would not go on this because if I had a child at guides I'd take them away.

They have to remain within the law. Being transgender is a protected quality. I agree with their stance.

Under the Equality Act 2010, “gender reassignment “ is the protected characteristic, not “being transgender”.

In addition, sex is a protected characteristic. There are exemptions under the EA which allow sex-segregation. The arrangement must be a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

Safeguarding within a girl’s organisation, achievable by excluding males, however they identify, and especially at camp or other situations where children are sleeping together under the supervision of adults, undoubtedly falls into this category and is therefore wholly legal.

@LokiOdinson my main concerns are around children whose sex is a secret, and girls being expected to do their own safeguarding and to keep secrets.
Girls rarely know all the leaders on their trips and parents don't either. Parents have no authority to say "no male person can help my daughter if she needs help changing after an accident". Even if they know one is going on a trip. So a five year old who still needs a bit of help would have to say that herself if she didn't want a man to do it.

They have to remain within the law. Being transgender is a protected quality. I agree with their stance

@Stompythedinosaur

No. You are completely wrong, it is the opposite. SEX is a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and it is SEX that is being eroded by GG and many others, to the detriment and danger of women and girls.

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic - that is wildly different from self ID.

Gender is not a protected characteristic, it is a social construct, and one that is being weaponised. Open your eyes.

@Binterested Here’s who molests girls. Men. Only men. Transwomen have exactly the same rate of sexual crime as men - unsurprisingly.
So there are no female perpetrators of sexual violence? Really? I think you probably need to read the news and get out more

@ShiveringCoyote

Anything that reduces the safeguarding of children must be fought or cases like Saville will just keep happening and hands will be wrung and they will question why did nobody do anything.

Fair play to you Katie for standing up for children.

This

@Binterested

Here’s who molests girls. Men. Only men. Transwomen have exactly the same rate of sexual crime as men - unsurprisingly. Because - well they are not women. So it’s not vanishingly unlikely. It’s just as likely to happen as if you let a non trans identified man into a girl guide tent.

This is what safeguarding is for. Most men are decent. Some are not. That’s why they don’t get to share a tent with your teenage girl.

Confused - what do you mean Here’s who molests girls. Men. Only men ?

There are 14000 men in prison for sexual crimes. 140 women. That’s the ratio.

We all know this and suddenly we have to pretend it’s not true.

Well done OP. You're doing the right thing. Safeguarding is vital. Cannot believe that legally a belief in science is not protected. Crazy times

*There are 14000 men in prison for sexual crimes. 140 women. That’s the ratio.

We all know this and suddenly we have to pretend it’s not true.*

So they exact opposite of what you just said then thought it was only men?

I struggle to see how anyone can agree with their stance! Is it because you don't want to think you're transphobic? Trying to protect the rights of women and girls to have a single sex space against any man who decides he is a woman is not transphobic. It's common sense. Why are women bending over bloody backwards for MEN instead of trying to cling on to what little we have that's ours?

Leaders who have a gender identity of "woman" are allowed to join but leaders who don't, aren't. So basically that's all women who don't subscribe to "women should conform to gender stereotypes and I'm OK with that".

I’m a bit confused that this seems the main thrust of the argument - surely the vast majority of women have a gender identity of “woman?”
I thought the main problem was men with a gender identity of “woman?”

@LokiOdinson

I've seen plenty of people here say that they can absolutely 100% tell a trans woman from a non-trans woman. So what's the issue, if you can already tell if a young girl/helper for a trip is trans and therefore can pull your kid from the trip if you think all trans people and men are molesters?

Think a bit harder about this.

1. Nobody is saying all trans people are molesters. However, being trans is no guarantee that a person is not a molester. Most sexual offenders are male. There is no evidence that male pattern offending falls amongst males who transition and become transwomen.

1. Parents are not being told that transwomen who become Guiders are taking charge of girls on overnight trips without necessarily having a female Guider there to provide intimate care if it's needed. I believe most parents would want to know the sex of an adult to whom they were entrusting their child on an overnight trip.

1. Parents are not being told that transgirls are sharing accommodation and showers with biologically female girls.

I don't think it will have occurred to most parents that GG could have taken such an arrogant and risky stance on this issue without bothering to tell parents, let alone consult them. It's so obviously a problem for girls from certain religious and ethnic groups whose parents think they are going to a single-sex group.

Good luck, Katie.

@LokiOdinson

I've seen plenty of people here say that they can absolutely 100% tell a trans woman from a non-trans woman. So what's the issue, if you can already tell if a young girl/helper for a trip is trans and therefore can pull your kid from the trip if you think all trans people and men are molesters?

People arnt saying they are molesters ffs

I would have genuine questions

Question one
Are they dbs checked

Question two
Does that cover any/all offences in their previous name? Is it joined up?

Because no one seems to understand that Question if fred Smith becomes felicia jones and fred smith was arrested for child sex offences will that be picked up when felicia Jones is dbs checked?

Will my daughter be allowed to refuse personal care provided by someone they done feel comfortable with

Will my daughter be coerced into tent/room share with a biological male (#bekind)?