To ask if you are OK with your daughter's subs being spent on this?

[KatieAlcock]

I've just come to update you on my case against Girlguiding, where they expelled me for raising safeguarding concerns and for asking why we had to believe in inner gender identity to be a leader.
Girlguiding have spent AT LEAST £35,000 and probably more like £100,000 of the subs you pay for your daughter to go to Rainbows, Brownies or Guides, on defending a case against me, a committed leader who wants to make sure girls are safe and leaders have freedom of expression.

Full text of my update in the next post so as not to bore you to death!

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander
Yours is a very powerful story in this context. Girls need to feel safe in GG as they may be experiencing abuse at home which has trained them not to speak out. They may feel also afraid to speak out because of the consequences of that disclosure. Because Leaders cannot keep that kind of disclosure secret. So the very girls for whom GG may be even more of a safe haven than their leaders realise is disadvantaged by the inclusion of boys. Even if that boy/transgender child is the nicest, kindest child themselves.
By not being open and honest, however well intentioned, you do not create an atmosphere of trust all round.

By not being open and honest, however well intentioned, you do not create an atmosphere of trust all round.

And this applies to trans children as well. Girls who identify as trans may conceal this especially if they are being told by their friends "you're a boy now, you need to leave Guides" and may keep related dangerous things (such as using a binder or meeting someone to talk about their identity, in secret) from leaders/adults as well.
Boys who identify as trans may also conceal this and be pressurised or bullied by someone who knows this.

@KatieAlcock

It seems likely that part of the reason for excluding you from meetings may be to do with the way you’re very publicly stirring up other parents to join your cause.

Are you scared that parents will find out that GG is now admitting boys?
They should be, as others have said, PROUD of their policy change if they think it is a good one. They should be shouting it from the rooftops, and letting us all know how they are dealing with safeguarding issues.

No idea where you get scared from, other than making it up as you go along and trying to paint anyone not on team Katie as afraid or covering something nefarious up.

The way that you keep on referring to trans girls as boys is needlessly hostile.

If awareness raising were your main objective, that would be fair enough, but it’s transparently not.

You disagree vehemently with their published policy. Your choice. You were not prepared to abide by that policy. Also your choice. You’re testing their decision to exclude you in court, also your choice.

Go you!

You also seem to be aiming to stir up bad feeling about the GG Organisation, using provocative language, speculation and worst possible case scenarios to frighten other parents.

And of course to raise money for your own court action against them, whilst berating them and trying to publicly shame them for defending the action.

Not cool.

Thanks @Beamur.
I don't talk about it in 'real life'. I'm a "good girl" you see who has learnt not to talk about things that make other people uncomfortable. I'll shout about it on an anonymous forum until I'm blue in the face though if I think it will make a difference to someone else's life.
Sadly the people who are denying there could be an issue with trans-girls joining GG are ignoring my posts.

The way that you keep on referring to trans girls as boys is needlessly hostile.

Are they not male then?

If you care that much you look up policies on sites

People choosing to send their DDs to an organisation called “girl guides” would have no reason to look for policies to inform them on whether there would be males sharing showers and bedrooms on residentials. They would be reasonable in assuming that girl guides was for girls. Also, people may read policies when their DD first starts, but these policies have been changed since many started. How often should parents check these policies on the offchance males have recently been permitted to attend Girl guides? Most people would expect a change of that magnitude to be announced and the parents of all current Girl guides informed by a letter sent home.

The few that do can request separate accommodation to be sure there are no transgender children in the same room on the few overnight outings that crop up.

Your deliberate use of transgender children rather than male children hasn’t gone unnoticed.

@Lem0nZest

If you care that much you look up policies on sites, the same as if you have issues with schools. All the policies are there. If GG sent out bundles of policies they’d go straight in the bin.

Nobody has to leave.GG seem to have quite a balanced “bespoke” approach. On weekly sessions I see zero issues Re trips which aren’t a frequent occurrence they’re all involved with the planning and any child can request alternative sleeping arrangements.

“We recommend that you involve all young members in planning residentials, so each young person has the chance to explore their individual needs and a balance can be found that works for everyone.”

“Any young member can request an alternative accommodation arrangement. “

“If any young member feels uncomfortable sharing accommodation, an alternative option should be provided where reasonable and practicable to do so.”

Zero need for scaremongering.

Noone has to leave...

Except those female children who can't socialise with the opposite sex.

Those female children who identify as boys.

Those female children who don't want a male bodied person in their private spaces.

Those female children who aren't comfortable around male adults.

Those females who want to protect female only spaces.

....
But nobody has to leave.... 🙄

And again the onus is on the female child to speak out, and be excluded from groups.... Again the wants of a male is put above that if a female....

A shared bedroom or tent isn’t a private space.

Those that can’t socialise or feel comfortable round male adults won’t be able to attend any U.K. school or GG pack regardless of trans children attending. The former have male staff and the latter have male volunteers.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/what-we-do/our-stories-and-news/blogs/dads-love-volunteering/

Behave yourself, in a school a female would not be sharing a bedroom, toilets and shower facilities with males.
Because of the safeguarding rules.

One day you might answer this question. If you think it's perfectly acceptable for males to share private spaces with females. You'd have no worries about a male doing a bra fitting for your female child? And if your female 12yo was uncomfortable with that, you would tell her she is being transphobic, and if she doesn't like it, she can't get a bra fitted.

Because that's what is happening in GG and people like YOU are suggesting that females who aren't comfortable should opt out and are being transphobic.

And why are you ignoring all the evidence that females will not use mixed sex spaces? So young females are not using toilets in schools because they don't feel safe/comfortable.

You don’t speak for all girls and women. Many couldn’t give a shit. Myself and my daughter included.

We’re talking about GG not bra fittings.

So, you're not comfortable with a male doing a female child's bra fitting?

And you don't speak for all girls and women either. So ... Some females are allowed to think what GG is doing is not right...

I'm not happy for my 10 year old sharing a room at camp with a girl with a penis, my DD does not want to share a room or showering facilities with a boy. I don't want her to be cared for by male leaders.

My child safety, and the safety of others, and her being able to be comfortable whilst away should not be sacrificed by these crazy rule changes.

@Lem0nZest

You don’t speak for all girls and women. Many couldn’t give a shit. Myself and my daughter included.

We’re talking about GG not bra fittings.

So tough shit for the ones it is a problem for then. Right. Noted. The abuse I/other girls suffered is not to be talked about. Its not a problem because some women and girls are lucky enough not to have experienced it. Put up and shut up. Got it.

And when DD goes away with school she is in a single sex room, as are all the kids, and the male teachers look after the boys rooms and the female teachers the girls. There are clear safe guarding rules around this.

When DD has been away with GG there are no men in the halls and no male helpers.

However, in the circumstances, far better than giving in to OP and every other bigot

Are you saying sex segregation as part of safeguarding is bigoted? Who benefits from.removal of safeguarding? What else should we stop doing because it hurts someones feelings?

@Balhammom

Sad GG have to spend funds defending themselves against absolute crackpots like the OP.

However, in the circumstances, far better than giving in to OP and every other bigot.

Ah, you must perfectly comfortable having a male do your female child's bra fitting.

Yep?

And obviously, you using the female toilets is just bigotry.

@Roswellconspiracy

Try making the same arguments but use race in place of gender. See any problems or are you okay with that too?

absolute crackpots

questioning whether safeguarding of children and women Is being adequately upheld makes people crackpots?

Ensuring that parents and child participants have full knowledge that a male person may be sleeping in same tent/cabin/room allows them to make an informed choice. How is this wrong? Why is it not allowed?

I'll add crackpot and bigot to the list of names I've been called when telling people irl about my abuse.
So slut, whore, lying bitch, bigot, crackpot, slag. Anymore anyone?