Insulted key worker wage rises don't include nurses

[nowayhose]

Just what it says really, I'm insulted that police/ fire service/ paramedics are all getting a descent wage rise as recognition for their above and beyond efforts during Cornavirus pandemic, but nurses get bugger all as they're still in the process of getting the 3 year gradual wage increase. (even after this 3 year incremental wage increase, nurses pay will be well below what the other emergency services get)

They should all get a huge bonus for putting themselves at risk for the sake of others.
Thank you nurses, doctors, paramedics, caters and all health care workers.

MPs could vote themselves a pay cut to pay for it.

This is so difficult as so many individuals were key workers, and worked so hard over that period and haven't had anything extra for it. So theres no way of paying them separately. For example I know lots of nurses and many have said how quiet it was as they were not taking new patients however one is an ICU nurse and has really struggled throughout. I've worked on a covid team throughout so have worked around 14 hours a day since February and tried to manage my ASD DD, many of my colleagues have had a much quieter period (couldn't be furloughed and many admit to just starting up their laptops and spending a day doing what they like). I haven't had a pay rise (haven't for years), I'm annoyed yes but I'm grateful I have a 'safe' job and the UK economy is going to be in a much worse position very soon which needs to be paid back. I suppose I'm choosing to be grateful for my circs in this period when so many have/will go through unexpected hardships.

Haven't read the full thing but let's not forget that some of us, in particular civil servants, were bought out of their annual increments by a bunch of shyster Union reps and now rely solely on inflation rises (outside of promotion, of course) just to get any extra money whatsoever. So, whilst I appreciate NHS staff have done a wonderful job with coronavirus, they are still being rewarded and getting pay increases both due to milestone increases AND inflationary rises, albeit not negotiated as a result of the work they have just done in the last few months.

@Pepperwort

Myothercar. Well, very close to it. TA, intervention work with individuals and groups and phonics lessons. I had to assess the needs of children, work out appropriate targets - this much with liaising with class teachers, itself a key skill, but much was left to me - research those needs, choose activities, deliver them. And the target paperwork too. On £10 an hour, for hours present in school only, no extra for the work done outside. Not long after speaking to that teacher I had a TA meeting where TAs were berated for not planning sufficiently creative phonics lessons and told to go off and research better activities. All similarly paid by the hour, for hours present only. Perhaps not quite full teacher workload, in that it wasn’t full classes: but far more than we’re paid for, and worth far more than one third of a teachers salary, especially while they whinge at me about having exactly the same pay rise conditions of everyone else I know in the private sector.

I don't understand your slant on this. Rather than thinking teachers are overpaid, where really it's the TAs and others who do amazing work in school who are underpaid

Did I say teachers were overpaid? That was silly if so, thought I’d said they were better paid than they think. Do give TAs a raise - and stop higher paid people whinging at those paid less!

As far as the actual thread topic is concerned, perhaps many would be just as happy with improvements in conditions. Staffing levels back up to what they used to be, ncluding for cleaners, and shorter shifts. Plus more resources available to do the job, as there used to be. How would be a good question. Like many I would be happy to pay more in tax if we would see improvements, not white elephant media projects.

I'd like to see the binmen get a pay rise, personally. Third most dangerous job in the UK (after sea fishermen and farmers) and get paid peanuts. Their salaries were actually dropped fairly recently (moved to lower band) hence the strikes.

It's a total myth that the binmen get paid well. According to payscale.com, 'a mid-career Refuse Collector with 5-9 years of experience earns an average total compensation of £16,888'.

Not a particularly skilled job but extremely dangerous, dirty, and unsociable (4am starts).

Sorry OP, I appreciate hard work but public sector work isn’t particularly rewarding financially. Try being in Afghanistan with people having limbs blown off whilst being on a pay freeze... that’s what happened to the armed forces.

@Pepperwort

Did I say teachers were overpaid? That was silly if so, thought I’d said they were better paid than they think. Do give TAs a raise - and stop higher paid people whinging at those paid less!

As far as the actual thread topic is concerned, perhaps many would be just as happy with improvements in conditions. Staffing levels back up to what they used to be, ncluding for cleaners, and shorter shifts. Plus more resources available to do the job, as there used to be. How would be a good question. Like many I would be happy to pay more in tax if we would see improvements, not white elephant media projects.

Yes totally. In schools I'd rather money go to this instead of my wage - at least one TA per class in primary (I don't know enough about secondary), staff for interventions, non teaching senco, TAs paid to be there for half an hour before and after school, TAs paid to attend staff meetings, more resources, smaller classes - this would all make schools a much better place to work in and would help teacher retention too.

They should all get a huge bonus for putting themselves at risk for the sake of others.

Paid for how? Will you be paying more tax, or agreeing to delay your state pension for a year, to fund it? Thought not.

Who’s getting it, according to your plan? Just health care workers? What about the binmen (mentioned upthread)? They had to carry on working and putting themselves at risk. What about people working in supermarkets? Utility workers keeping the lights on and the water flowing into your taps?

MPs could vote themselves a pay cut to pay for it.

Christ alive. I despair. You haven’t thought this through, have you? Even if every single MP worked for free, it would only free up between £40m and £50m. How many ‘huge bonuses’, and employer’s NI, would that fund? According to the Nuffield Trust, there are 150k doctors in the U.K. and 320k nurses. That’s around £100 each, from which employee’s NI would have to be paid.

Sorry, £100 from which EMPLOYER’S NI would be paid.

@LordGrantham when it's the armed forces though it's always wElL tHeY kNeW wHaT tHe JoB wAs; whereas nurses providing healthcare is for some reason unforseen and they should be compensated as such, even the ones whose workload drastically reduced.

new managers just inherit the 'problem staff' and it's hard to effect change when there's a culture dating back years and 'oh they've always been like that, so it's easier to just leave them to it'. Plus they were often Union reps and used that to intimidate and get their own way.

It's been a long time since I worked in a hospital, but I remember there being this culture then (25 years plus ago) in which the hospital was effectively "run" by a cohort of senior consultants who thought they were gods and couldn't be challenged by anyone. Especially non clinical staff who were seen as lesser human beings and not allowed to make any of the changes desperately needed because it would mean that the god like consultants would have to be accountable to someone for their decisions. It was fucking toxic and from what some of the stories I hear from friend who stayed in hospital medicine, some places haven't improved.

from the ons

•	Compared with the rate among people of the same sex and age in England and Wales, men working in the lowest skilled occupations had the highest rate of death involving COVID-19, with 21.4 deaths per 100,000 males (225 deaths); men working as security guards had one of the highest rates, with 45.7 deaths per 100,000 (63 deaths).
•	Men and women working in social care, a group including care workers and home carers, both had significantly raised rates of death involving COVID-19, with rates of 23.4 deaths per 100,000 males (45 deaths) and 9.6 deaths per 100,000 females (86 deaths).
•	Among men, a number of other specific occupations were found to have raised rates of death involving COVID-19, including: taxi drivers and chauffeurs (36.4 deaths per 100,000); bus and coach drivers (26.4 deaths per 100,000); chefs (35.9 deaths per 100,000); and sales and retail assistants (19.8 deaths per 100,000).

This poster actually describes an NHS job quite well, and no, it's definitely NOT all ''roses'' and ''safe job''

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/employment_issues/3979293-So-stressed-after-3-weeks